joe90 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 I watched the game yesterday and thats the best game Wigan have played for a good while,to nil a team thats top of the league and on there own ground wants some doing,lets hope they carry on paying like that till the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 I thought Wigan were good, incisive, great ruck-speed and made few mistakes but Catalans were well below par compared with other games I've seen them play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORT Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Wigan did a forward pass as first pass after play the ball dozens of times and never once pulled up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Very difficult to judge if a play-the-ball pass is forward or not on TV unless the camera is directly at right-angles to touch-line and directly in line with acting half-back. Best left to on-field officials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Am I right in thinking some laws are deliberately ignored by referees? A deliberate knock on or a deliberate forward pass is supposed to be penalised. Has anyone seen this happen recently or in the last 5 years? In the unmentionable sport players were sent off for deliberate knock ons until recently.( Bless, they are trying to catch up). A forward pass from a stationery player should be easy to detect. At a play the ball the ref is usually concerned with the defence being onside. Linesmen are in a much better position to make the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 Hort you must have been watching the Castleford v Saints game and not the Catalans v Wigan game where you seen all the forward passes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORT Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Bert you are correct. They also allow feeding at the scrum which against the laws of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 I think the ref's blind eye to these infringements is good for the game. The deliberate knock on is sometimes the only defence left and can be confused with an attempted interception. Judging a deliberate forward pass could be controversial. Contested scrums were messy, dangerous and the non offending side did not always get possession. The laws should be tweaked to match what the refs are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORT Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 What is an accidental forward pass? Laws of the game. KNOCK ON & FORWARD PASS Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if they deliberately knock on or pass forward. Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed. Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball. Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on. Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction. NOTES Direction of Pass 1. The direction of a pass is relative to the player making it and not to the actual path relative to the ground. A player running towards his opponents’ goal line may throw the ball towards a colleague who is behind him but because of the thrower’s own momentum the ball travels forward relative to the ground. This is not a forward pass as the thrower has not passed the ball forward in relation to themselves. This is particularly noticeable when a running player makes a high, lobbed pass. Scrum for Forward Pass A forward pass in a passing movement is invariably caused by misjudgment and is rarely a deliberate offence. Play is restarted with a scrum after an accidental infringement. Penalty for some forward passes If the Referee is of the opinion that a player in giving a forward pass must have been well aware that the catcher was in front of him then the referee is justified in ruling that the ball has been deliberately thrown forward. Ball is blown or bounces forward If the ball is passed correctly but bounces forward or is blown forward by the wind, there is no infringement and play should continue. Knock-on over Goal line After a player, from the field of play, knocks on into his opponent’s in-goal area and he or a colleague touches down, play is restarted with a scrum where the knock-on occurred, except after a play-the-ball subject to Section 12, Law 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) A deliberate knock on is when a player sticks a hand out to stop a pass. This happens many times but is never penalised. It would be sensible to recognise this and adjust the law. I would include it in the charge down rule, i.e. no knock on from an opponent's kick( ball rising) or pass. The knock on law does not mention the ball touching the ref. If the ball does touch the ref. after a fumble is there another law covering this or could a player play on if he caught the ball before it touched the ground? Has anyone seen a player head the ball? I can remember Parsons doing it in 50's. Edited August 27 by Bert Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 10 hours ago, Bert said: Has anyone seen a player head the ball? I can remember Parsons doing it in 50's. There was a brouhaha about this more recently but I'm blowed if I can remember the detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I think heading the ball is not allowed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 You are correct. After that last incident, which I think was less than 20 years ago, the rules were toughened up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 Did a saints player do it years back,he got tacked near the try line and he got up to play the ball and he headed it and scored a try off it,i dont know if the try was given,i think the players name was Harrison or Harris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Don't remember that one Joe but there was a player called Viv Harrison, a centre signed from S.Wales(Union) who played for the Saints. Being ex Union he could kick goals, specialising in drop goals. He taught maths at my school. Him being a Saints player I desperately wanted to understand his accent but failed. He took us for games. In the first year at school we were divided into 6 teams and could form a league. I don't think the teachers allowed us to call it a league. Anyway, one wet and windy day with the pitch ankle deep in mud and the score 0_0 with minute to go our side got a scrum under their posts. I couldn't wait to get home to tell my dad I'd dropped a winning goal with Harrison reffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 43 minutes ago, Bert said: He taught maths at my school. Cowley? If so he must have left in the very early 1950s as I started there in 1953 and don't remember him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) Yes Alan. "Chinney" Evans (Music) was my first Maths teacher, then Viv Harrison. That would have been about 1949. I don't think Viv was a specialist Maths Teacher, like "Paddy" Moss and they couldn't have allowed him to teach English. Only French and Latin taught, no call for Welsh. Not that anyone's interested but he tried to teach us Simple Equations. The classroom was not on the cloister but close to the Staff room. Edited August 28 by Bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familyman Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 I'm with Joe on this one. https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/throwback-thursday-st-helens-score-from-tactically-heading-the-ball-forward-20304/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe90 Posted August 29 Author Share Posted August 29 I have seen that one before,the one i am on about is he gets tackled near the try line and he gets up and heads the ball and scores a try with it and i am certain it is the same player called Harrison,thanks Familyman for finding that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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