"Young Jingler"?

[gervassutti]

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Octagon shaped house in the 'Old Carrs'.

[underdog]

Judging by the clothes, this looks to be c.1910ish so it's possibly my G-G-Grandfather William Leadbetter with his 2nd wife Ellen &, presumably his/her daughter about whom I have no information at all.

Only William & Ellen are listed as living there in the 1911 census.

 

Thanks for this, if I'm right this is now the only photo I have of him.

[underdog]

Just heard from jacquelinejean (my cousins BTW - I told them about this forum ages ago, it took them long enough to get here) & this is actually who their mother (my Aunt Hilda) referred to as Old Jingler - still no idea why although he's got his hands in his pockets which may be a clue

 

Definitely not his father Richard, he lived in the middle of Prescot - Houghton St. , Eccleston St. & Kemble St. according to the censuses (censii? - whatever) which makes more sense for a watchmaker, the Carrs would be a bit far away from the centre of operations.

[jvy20]

Hi Underdog

 

According to 1911 census William aged 62 - the man in the photo looks much younger to me - I wonder if it was taken much earlier than c 1910

[gervassutti]

Hi Underdog, the consensus is censuses.

 

Hi jv20, the photograph was a copy of a postcard which was unfortunately undated and had neither the photographer's or printer's name to give a clue to its age. My best guess would be ca 1905 and there are very few earlier Prescot postcards..

[underdog]

Hi Underdog

 

According to 1911 census William aged 62 - the man in the photo looks much younger to me - I wonder if it was taken much earlier than c 1910

Could very well be, I was just guessing based on the clothing. Is there any info on when the building was demolished? The census shows it was there in 1911 & according to a cursory search of the maps at nls.uk the area is part of the BI by the mid-30s.

 

Also, what was the building originally? It looks like a glorified gazebo judging by all the blocked-up windows.

[FRANK]

It looks like a Toll House - where is it located?

[jvy20]

Been looking at children of William Leadbetter & Jane Stott. William b 1868 and Richard 1870. In 1911 Census Richard is 41 and living with wife Maria 46 - looking at the photo again I wonder if the 3 paople are Ellen, Richard and his wife Maria. The photographer may be Old Jingler

[underdog]

It looks like a Toll House - where is it located?

Well, nowhere now. It looks to have been down near the bottom end of Carr Lane about halfway between the pond & where the roundabout is now. As far as I can tell it wasn't a perfect octagon, the photo seems to be end-on. Think of a standard rectangular-shaped house with trapezoid extensions at either end. I'll post some maps when I can remember how to do it here.

 

Been looking at children of William Leadbetter & Jane Stott. William b 1868 and Richard 1870. In 1911 Census Richard is 41 and living with wife Maria 46 - looking at the photo again I wonder if the 3 paople are Ellen, Richard and his wife Maria. The photographer may be Old Jingler

I'm pretty sure it's William & Ellen & possibly Maria. Re: your photographer theory, Old Jingler was apparently William according to my cousins memories of how their mother remembered him. The younger William was my G-Grandfather. It gets a bit confusing as William jr. was born just before his parents married so was baptised under his mother's maiden name of Stott. While he was a minor, he was recorded on censuses (thanks for the plural Gervassutti) as Leadbetter but went back to Stott when he got older.

[underdog]

Maps as promised: A larger area view & a close-up from 1892.

 

[underdog]

I finally got round to getting an overlaid image/map of the location

The original post seems to be broken so here's a reminder

& here's the location overlay from the 1906 survey and the current googleearth image courtesy of nls.uk. The star marks where I think the photo was taken from

[underdog]

Here's the approximate site today