Gorman Family Prescot

[PoTTerTea]

I was wondering if some kind person could help with linking my Gorman family in Prescot please.

 

I have recently got a genealogy report and it states that my 2nd GG mother Catherine Gorman married Bernard McMahon I have a copy of the marriage cert.

 

The problem I am having is finding Catherine Gormans parents, the report says she was born 25 Aug 1851 Prescot to Martin Gorman and Catherine Hughes but the problem is they cannot find a marriage cert for this we did find this info and are thinking this could be a transcription error.

 

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

GORMAN Martin HEWITT Catherine Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended Prescot R/5/29

Regarding Martin Gorman the info we have is as follows.

On the 1861 census we find that Catherine has moved to Liverpool. She has three children but is now stating that she is a widow and pauper. There are no records that relate to Martin’s death. The address is given as 4 Court, 17 Russel Street. Court dwellings were the very worst conditions to live in.

I have searched for Martins death info but so far had no luck finding it myself. I did however find this info on the Toxteth Cemetery site but I still don't know if it is him. I did put an estimate that he was born around 1830 so this would link with the burial info, but as I said still have no death record for his death cert.

 

 

Possible Martin Gorman Death in Toxteth Cemetery

GORMAN Martin 26 years Labourer Hospital Everton 21 October 1858 0 1283 N E 759 Order Book 9/4/3

The info we have is saying he worked as a miner could have he died in a mining disaster in Prescot of St Helen's area. I have been searching online but so far I have found nothing.

 

Would any of you be able to help me anything more about this family please

 

Kind Regards,

Tom.

 

 

[GeoffB]

Martin and his wife Catherine appear in the 1851 Census living as lodgers with a family named Hughes - a coincidence? But looking at the register her maiden name was definitely Hewitt

 

http://www.prescot.org/?page_id=1301&t=2&root=2&pid=11543

 

Martin is aged 27 and coal miner and Catherine is aged 19

 

http://www.prescot.org/viewer.php?id=2378

 

As you say Catherine is a widow with 3 children in the 1861 Census living in Toxteth

 

The youngest child is 3 years old witch suggests you probably have the right burial - but it is odd there is no record in the BMD registers

 

He isn't listed in the accident database of the Coalmining History Resource Centre and a quick search of the local newspapers turned up only 1 piece he was fined 2s 6d for obstructing te footpaths

[PoTTerTea]

Martin and his wife Catherine appear in the 1851 Census living as lodgers with a family named Hughes - a coincidence? But looking at the register her maiden name was definitely Hewitt

 

http://www.prescot.org/?page_id=1301&t=2&root=2&pid=11543

 

Martin is aged 27 and coal miner and Catherine is aged 19

 

http://www.prescot.org/viewer.php?id=2378

 

As you say Catherine is a widow with 3 children in the 1861 Census living in Toxteth

 

The youngest child is 3 years old witch suggests you probably have the right burial - but it is odd there is no record in the BMD registers

 

He isn't listed in the accident database of the Coalmining History Resource Centre and a quick search of the local newspapers turned up only 1 piece he was fined 2s 6d for obstructing te footpaths

Thanks for all the info.

 

The report I have says that Catherine Hughes or Hewitt remarried to a Thomas Connoll

 

Name: Catharine Gorman

Marriage Date: 31 Jul 1864

Parish: St Patrick, Lancashire, England

Spouse's Name: Thomas Connoll

Father's name: Richard

Mother's name: Bridget

Spouse Father's Name: Thomas

Spouse Mother's Name: Susanna

 

 

Kind Regards,

Tom

[GeoffB]

Tom this link will get you to the page

 

http://www.prescot.org/?page_id=670&root=4&t=2&cen=1851&hid=2681

 

I did wonder about a re-marriage

[PoTTerTea]

Tom this link will get you to the page

 

http://www.prescot.org/?page_id=670&root=4&t=2&cen=1851&hid=2681

 

I did wonder about a re-marriage

Thanks GeoffB

 

Would you know where I could look for any other files or info for Martin

 

Kind Regards,

Tom

[GeoffB]

I mainly use ancestry.co.uk

 

if you don't have an account most libraries have access

 

I can't see either Catherine Hewitt/Hughes or Martin Gorman in the UK 1841 Census which suggests they came over from Ireland after 1841 either together or seperately

I've also drawn a blank with the Irish 1841 Census as well

 

Ancestry has Irish parish records - but without parents names it will be hard work to identify Martin Gorman

 

You know Catherine's parents names so you might stand a better chance with her

 

I can't find Catherine or family in the 1871 Census - do you have any more information?

 

Good luck

 

Geoff

[Le200]

There's a tree on Ancestry with a photo of Catherine in it. Are you aware of it Tom?

[gervassutti]

My g.grandparents were Patrick and Elizabeth Gorman living in Prescot but it's a family line I've not researched further.

[GeoffB]

Le200

Well spotted can you give more details or a link?

[PoTTerTea]

I mainly use ancestry.co.uk

 

if you don't have an account most libraries have access

 

I can't see either Catherine Hewitt/Hughes or Martin Gorman in the UK 1841 Census which suggests they came over from Ireland after 1841 either together or seperately

I've also drawn a blank with the Irish 1841 Census as well

 

Ancestry has Irish parish records - but without parents names it will be hard work to identify Martin Gorman

 

You know Catherine's parents names so you might stand a better chance with her

 

I can't find Catherine or family in the 1871 Census - do you have any more information?

 

Good luck

 

Geoff

Thanks Geoff I do have a link to Ancestry I just could not find that Census but I did find it eventually.

 

Other info on Catherine Hughes Hewitt it says her parents where Richard & Bridget but I dont know if that is Hughes or Hewitt.

 

Best Regards,

Tom.

 

I mainly use ancestry.co.uk

 

if you don't have an account most libraries have access

 

I can't see either Catherine Hewitt/Hughes or Martin Gorman in the UK 1841 Census which suggests they came over from Ireland after 1841 either together or seperately

I've also drawn a blank with the Irish 1841 Census as well

 

Ancestry has Irish parish records - but without parents names it will be hard work to identify Martin Gorman

 

You know Catherine's parents names so you might stand a better chance with her

 

I can't find Catherine or family in the 1871 Census - do you have any more information?

 

Good luck

 

Geoff

Thanks Geoff I do have a link to Ancestry I just could not find that Census but I did find it eventually.

 

Other info on Catherine Hughes Hewitt it says her parents where Richard & Bridget but I dont know if that is Hughes or Hewitt.

 

Best Regards,

Tom.

 

There's a tree on Ancestry with a photo of Catherine in it. Are you aware of it Tom?

Thanks Le 2000 I do have my tree on with that photo and my cousin also has his tree is it the McMahon tree you was referring to.

 

Best Regards,

Tom

 

I mainly use ancestry.co.uk

 

if you don't have an account most libraries have access

 

I can't see either Catherine Hewitt/Hughes or Martin Gorman in the UK 1841 Census which suggests they came over from Ireland after 1841 either together or seperately

I've also drawn a blank with the Irish 1841 Census as well

 

Ancestry has Irish parish records - but without parents names it will be hard work to identify Martin Gorman

 

You know Catherine's parents names so you might stand a better chance with her

 

I can't find Catherine or family in the 1871 Census - do you have any more information?

 

Good luck

 

Geoff

Thanks Geoff I do have a link to Ancestry I just could not find that Census but I did find it eventually.

 

Other info on Catherine Hughes Hewitt it says her parents where Richard & Bridget but I dont know if that is Hughes or Hewitt.

 

Best Regards,

Tom.

 

There's a tree on Ancestry with a photo of Catherine in it. Are you aware of it Tom?

Thanks Le 2000 I do have my tree on with that photo and my cousin also has his tree is it the McMahon tree you was referring

 

My g.grandparents were Patrick and Elizabeth Gorman living in Prescot but it's a family line I've not researched further.

Thanks for your comments if you ever find any links with my family feel free to contact me.

 

Best Regards,

Tom

to.

 

Best Regards,

Tom

 

I mainly use ancestry.co.uk

 

if you don't have an account most libraries have access

 

I can't see either Catherine Hewitt/Hughes or Martin Gorman in the UK 1841 Census which suggests they came over from Ireland after 1841 either together or seperately

I've also drawn a blank with the Irish 1841 Census as well

 

Ancestry has Irish parish records - but without parents names it will be hard work to identify Martin Gorman

 

You know Catherine's parents names so you might stand a better chance with her

 

I can't find Catherine or family in the 1871 Census - do you have any more information?

 

Good luck

 

Geoff

Thanks Geoff I do have a link to Ancestry I just could not find that Census but I did find it eventually.

 

Other info on Catherine Hughes Hewitt it says her parents where Richard & Bridget but I dont know if that is Hughes or Hewitt.

 

Best Regards,

Tom.

 

There's a tree on Ancestry with a photo of Catherine in it. Are you aware of it Tom?

Thanks Le 2000 I do have my tree on with that photo and my cousin also has his tree is it the McMahon tree you was referring

 

My g.grandparents were Patrick and Elizabeth Gorman living in Prescot but it's a family line I've not researched further.

Thanks for your comments if you ever find any links with my family feel free to contact me.

 

Best Regards,

Tom

to.

 

Best Regards,

Tom

[Le200]

Seems it is Tom's cousin.

It's here if you have an Ancestry account.

http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/10392541/person/25336198104/facts

 

I had a look for these when it was first posted by Tom and I came up with Hewitt too.

[gervassutti]

William Gorman, Billiards League Champion 1903-04, Wire Works Recreation Club, Aspinall Street, Prescot.

(Son of Patrick Gorman)

 

 

[PoTTerTea]

Seems it is Tom's cousin.

It's here if you have an Ancestry account.

http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/10392541/person/25336198104/facts

 

I had a look for these when it was first posted by Tom and I came up with Hewitt too.

yes thats the one thanks

 

William Gorman, Billiards League Champion 1903-04, Wire Works Recreation Club, Aspinall Street, Prescot.

(Son of Patrick Gorman)

 

 

Thanks for posting but as I said i only know of 2 children for Martin & Catherine Gorman so far that is Catherine & Ann I think Ann married a man by the name of Healy but so far not found the marriage info yet.

 

Kind Regards,

Tom

[RATTY]

I'm not really following all of this thread because I don't have the time just now but I have recently applied for a death registration for one of my family tree who has a burial at St Helens cemetery, I applied to St Helens registrar.. not found, so I applied to Prescot as it did have a Prescot registration district on freeBMD site..still not found so then I applied online to the GRO in Southport and for no effort and less money BINGO they sent it a few days later.

 

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

 

I know its not free but if you're desperate..

Do you know what religion they were by the way?

[RATTY]

The report states the name Hughes, can you see this name on anything official, a certificate or a parish record? or do you think they just assume her maiden name was Hughes as she was living with the Hughes family ?

 

In 1841 census they is a Hewitt family in Lime Street Liverpool

John Hewitt is 35 and a school teacher born Ireland, his wife is Catherine 34 also born Ireland

Children Dennis 18,Eliza 15, William 13, * Catherine age 10 * John 17, Margaret 4, Thomas 1

 

There is a Catherine Hewitt baptised in Prescot 28 august 1831 to John and Mary Hewitt a Prescot Labourer though so be careful when searching

 

The marriage at the GRO is code 20/942 3rd quarter of 1850 For Catherine Hewitt to Martin Gorman

 

 

Apologies if Ive repeated anything others have done already.

 

another marriage of a Catherine Hewitt / Gorman (registered as her maiden name and former marriage name) to Thomas Connell West Derby Register Office in 1864

I found that last marriage in the Liverpool RC Marriages Index

It was at St Patricks RC Park Place L8

I dont know if the site still works for ordering copies of the parish records or if the fee is still £3 this is an old site but the link is below and the year reference they ask for will be 1864 929 otherwise you will find them in the archives at the library I imagine

 

 

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcmarriages/request.htm

[PoTTerTea]

I'm not really following all of this thread because I don't have the time just now but I have recently applied for a death registration for one of my family tree who has a burial at St Helens cemetery, I applied to St Helens registrar.. not found, so I applied to Prescot as it did have a Prescot registration district on freeBMD site..still not found so then I applied online to the GRO in Southport and for no effort and less money BINGO they sent it a few days later.

 

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

 

I know its not free but if you're desperate..

Do you know what religion they were by the way?

From the family story's I have been told they where catholics

 

The report states the name Hughes, can you see this name on anything official, a certificate or a parish record? or do you think they just assume her maiden name was Hughes as she was living with the Hughes family ?

 

In 1841 census they is a Hewitt family in Lime Street Liverpool

John Hewitt is 35 and a school teacher born Ireland, his wife is Catherine 34 also born Ireland

Children Dennis 18,Eliza 15, William 13, * Catherine age 10 * John 17, Margaret 4, Thomas 1

 

There is a Catherine Hewitt baptised in Prescot 28 august 1831 to John and Mary Hewitt a Prescot Labourer though so be careful when searching

 

The marriage at the GRO is code 20/942 3rd quarter of 1850 For Catherine Hewitt to Martin Gorman

 

 

Apologies if Ive repeated anything others have done already.

 

another marriage of a Catherine Hewitt / Gorman (registered as her maiden name and former marriage name) to Thomas Connell West Derby Register Office in 1864

 

I found that last marriage in the Liverpool RC Marriages Index

It was at St Patricks RC Park Place L8

I dont know if the site still works for ordering copies of the parish records or if the fee is still £3 this is an old site but the link is below and the year reference they ask for will be 1864 929 otherwise you will find them in the archives at the library I imagine

 

 

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcmarriages/request.htm

Thanks for all your help

 

Kind Regards,

Tom

[Deb78]

Hi,

Is gervassutti still reading these posts?

Patrick Gorman (born c 1838) and Elizabeth Gorman (nee Grave) (born c 1847) were my great great grandparents.

Their son William's child was Elsie, and Elise's daughter was my Mum.

Deb

[kizzy]

Yes, he's still around you, you can also send him a PM (private message) if you wish. Look for the message box on his profile

[gervassutti]

Hi Deb, if your Gran Elsie once lived in Houghton St and later after  marriage lived in Fairway, off Huyton Lane, then I believe we are related!

Your Gran Elsie was bridesmaid at my parents wedding and I have a fine picture of the event; unfortunately after my experience with photobucket, who erased all my photos that I have previously posted, I no longer post pictures. Perhaps some kind person could think of a way I could get the wedding photograph to you, it's a very nice picture of your Granma Elsie in all her finery.

[stephen nulty]

John, I store photo's in my Dropbox and send links to them