peter4043fd Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I am trying find information on Mary Alic Byrne who gave birth to John Bernard Wilkinson 28-Jan 1928 in Whiston workhouse (poor law Hospital ) He would have been one of the last people born in the workhouse as the law changed 1929 The birth certificate that I have says his father was John Elis Wilkinson a below ground coal cutter The address given was 2 jubitts lane St Helens. I can find no marriage between a Mary Byrne and a John Wilkinson. John Bernard Wilkinson is my wifes father he was brought to Hereford in the earley 1930s by the monks from Belmont abby (who will not give any information that thay ma have) from an Orphanage in Lancashire He sadley died in 1984 aged only 46. Any information or help would be very gratfully recieved with many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz atherton Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 IMO Jubits lane did he live faceing green dragon If he was a coal cutter and lived in sutton manor go on sutton manor know and then someone might be able to give you more information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Now, shall I bother doing any searches for this person, or would it be a waste of time after you kindly sent them elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter4043fd Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Yes please Ratty as I will try as maney avenues as I can . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I did But I didn't get anywhere sorry All I found was the birth of John B Wilkinson at Prescot, mothers name Byrne in 1928 that can stand up as yours, I searched many church records for burials, I don't have access to all obviously but the main ones for the area you're talking about anyway, St Cuthbert's and St Teresa are the other RC churches but not sure if the dates are right for your search. I noticed Belmont Abbey was RC..I don't have many catholic records except for St Anne in Sutton and St Bartholomew's Rainhill. I also searched on the Lancashire online parish records here http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html and the borough cemetery here http://crem.oltps.sthelens.gov.uk/ Nothing! Nothing much in registration either There were these births registered in Preston which could somehow be related but I was grasping at straws by that time John Bernard Wilkinson 1898 John Eli Wilkinson 1891 John E Wilkinson 1910 Hard to search because its after censuses but maybe they just weren't from here except for JBW I'm adding the following pages for reference which may help as you are entitled to get the information you are seeking now after a change in the law last year. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/relatives-of-adopted-adults-now-able-to-trace-family-tree http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.uk/Channels/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 He sadley died in 1984 aged only 46. If he was born in 1928, shouldn't that be aged 56? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well spotted Phyll. Its a typing error though, he died in 1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter4043fd Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Thank you both for the effort your results are very much as I have found. The monks at Belmont are a Benedictine Community R. C. VERY TIGHT LIPPED and yes the date was a typing error he died April 1974 are ether of you on ancestry.com I have a yapp family tree that his detailsb are on. He was never addopted he was brought to Hereford early 1934 and was brought up by the green family He was known as J. B. Byrne when he was 21 he changed his name by deed poll to J. B.Green (or did you know that Ratty as you confirmed his date of death) on the deed poll doc it says J.B. Wilkinson known as Byrne to Green I did not get this doc until ater my mother-in-law died so I had spent years serching for a Byrne not Wilkinson no one knew other than his wife THANK YOU BOTH hope to hear from you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Aha yes I saw the tree on Ancestry. Sorry we couldn't do more for you though. Everyone seems to have one of these brick walls in their family tree and all there is to do is wait patiently for more records to come available or for a lucky break. Even though he was not adopted I am sure you are entitled to the details of his origins from the orphanage and would keep chipping away at different channels in the establishment if I were you, get help from those links I gave and keep applying to ever higher up in the hierarchy and make a pest of yourself asking, eventually someone will crack. Its as if they have something to hide isn't it? I have a book here about the Whiston Workhouse which I will look through to see if there is any help there. I will post again if there is anything. One thing I would say is that by that time it would have mainly been an infirmary where the poor and very old went when sick and to have their babies and not a workhouse in the way it used to be. Good luck with your search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter4043fd Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Ratty would it be possible for you to ask for accsses to my tree to see if you can verify or not the John Ellis Wilkinson I have attributed to be J.B. Wilkinsons father. John Ellis Wilkinson birth 1894 Billinge Lancs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le200 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 He's listed as Ellis Wilkinson in the census years probably because his father was John too. Sometimes the use of a second name sticks so searching for Ellis Wilkinson may throw something up. Looks like he was christened Ellis too: Baptism: 16 Apr 1894 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, EnglandEllis Wilkinson - [Child] of John Wilkinson & Esther Born: 16 Apr 1894 Abode: 26 Longshaw Old Road Occupation: Collier Baptised by: Wm. Martin Curate Register: Baptisms 1870 - 1899, Page 254, Entry 2025 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter4043fd Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 You should read his army record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le200 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I have Peter and there's a lot of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter4043fd Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Le200 I have been looking at newspapers Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald for April 1924 a John ellis Wilkinson 27 miner who pleaded guilty to stealing a bicycle is this the same man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvy20 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Some more on the John Ellis Wilkinson 27 Miner Previous convictions 3 years Reformatory, Wigan Co P S 21 Jan 1909 - stealing a bicycle etc 3 and 3 months concurrent, Wigan Bo P S 30 April 1917 (housebreaking 2 cases) as John Fairhurst 12,12,12,12 concurrent, Liverpool Assizes 1 Feb 1922 (office breaking and stealing 5s and 4d, warehouse breaking, club breaking shop breaking) as Ellis Wilkinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le200 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The 1939 Registers are being released on FMP 02/11/2015 so you may get some information from that. It's basically a 1939 census. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I noticed that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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