Ned Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 HELP as anyone got any Grave Deeds for St Mary's Graveyard that I could have a copy of, They would help to locate where the grave plots are and would help me in putting a map together so that each grave can be located Thank You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Good luck with the project, Ned The image in my Dropbox link below shows the graves which were removed when Church Street was widened in 1895 (note that North is to the bottom!!!!). These were amont the oldest graves in the church, many dating from the mid to late 1600's The remainder were moved when the late 1960's redevelopment took place. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mh0x9uc8lobl25t/StMarys1895.png?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Thank you for that Stephen it will help in my quest I keep you informed try to P.M. you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 My sister worked for the council in the 60s & says that, when they were having a clear out, they found a map showing all the grave details (maybe just the plot owners rather than a record of burials). Whether this was for the old churchyard or just the newer council-run cemetery she isn't sure but it was donated to the historic society & they should still have it somewhere. Try asking at the Prescot heritage hub in Eccleston Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I have got copy of the burial books for the Cemetery dating back to 1930s Which I thought was for the Grave yard but research show that to not be the case I will get one of the Friends of St Mary's to make inquires at Prescot heritage Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Ned If you PM me an email address, I can send you a copy of my records from St Mary's. They're based on the lan-opc records but also details up to 1921 which are not on lan-opc and which I have transcribed myself. I will also send you a link to some files in my Dropbox which discuss the extension of the old churchyard and the creation of the new cemetery. I have looked for many years for a plan of the burials, but to no avail. The nearest I could get to understanding grave numbering was to use the references shown by CWGC, which suggest a numbering pattern, but this would almost certainly be a more modern introduction and I am sure that it wouldn't cover the older graves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Not sure how far you plan to go back but there just over 38,600 burials in the Parish Register up until 1900 Not sure if this helps but I have entries for these on my web site http://www.prescot.org/?type=3&sort=1&ex=1&q=berry&sf=&root=2&page_id=2201 Good luck They weren't all buried at St Marys though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Here's my summary analysis of the records. Yellow boxes are partial numbers for those years. As Geoff says, they weren't all buried at St Mary's, though generally speaking that caveat only applies to the early years https://www.dropbox.com/s/swod1wcv5nxi0v6/Snap%202015-09-04%20at%2015.35.07.png?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 There is going to be a lot more the 42,000 I think it could be as high as 60.000 I have some records that go back to the early 1600 I found one Isabella Houghton Nov 1667 she is buried in the Abbey It would be great if we could find a few burial records, There is going to be an article in the Star next week that may bring some results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leschip Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 The Churchyard map, showing the location of each grave and it's occupants, was destroyed in the 50s by a very disgruntaled Verger. The Cemetery map is held by KMBC and is ( almost ) accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 If I can get a few copys of grave deeds that is all I need to put a new plan together showing M.I. and who is buried where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 From what I've read you're right Ted 1500s (ancient family Kenwricke and then later -Petri (Peter) Kenwricke,sexton, Prescot’ was buried on 31 March 1643 ) but they just buried them in the church grounds wherever until officially a graveyard was opened in 1923 (date from memory) Sounds like you are on the right road though, what about other famous persons records that have been kept such as Ogles, you may find a grave deed in them. Here is someone on here with some deeds, maybe others can help contact as I dont think they posted since this - http://www.sthelens-connect.net/forums/topic/64276-prescot-hall-farm-er/#entry508017 or You could try the following records http://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=PR%203404&pos=1 also these records at King’s College Archive Centre, Cambridge I dont know how you would get to see them though, maybe if you contacted them they may help. kcar/6/2/123 Prescot, Lancashire kcar/6/2/123/3 Title deeds PRE/144 Churchyard enlargements Draft papers and correspondence concerning two conveyances for the enlargement of Prescot churchyard. 1855 (Former reference: Prescot box) 1 file (21 items) paper In English PRE/145 Churchyard enlargements Draft papers concerning three conveyances for the enlargement of Prescot churchyard. 1855 (Former reference: Prescot box) 3 items paper In English kcar/6/2/123 Prescot, Lancashire kcar/6/2/123/8 Maps and plans PRE/114 Churchyard plans Plans for enlargement of the churchyard at Prescot. 1819-1904 5 items paper In English PRE/190 Churchyard enlargement plans Plan of land for enlargement of the churchyard and additions to the glebe land at Precot. 6 Dec 1855 (Former reference: Map L170) 1 item paper In English Rolled material PRE/191 Churchyard enlargement plans Plan of land for enlargement of the churchyard at Prescot. 6 Dec 1855 (Former reference: Map L169) 1 item paper In English Rolled material PRE/192 Graveyard enlargement plan Plan of land for enlargement of the graveyard at Prescot. 1906 (Former reference: Map D173) 1 item paper In English Rolled material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffB Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Ned I agree with you - I have the records back to 1523 - just haaven't had time to add them to the database yet:-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted September 5, 2015 Author Share Posted September 5, 2015 Thanks Ratty LRO have over 280 catalogue documents on St Mary that could be 1`000 books and papers which I am working my way though as I have found some docs that have been miss catalogued The date 1923 was when the Cemetery was opened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 A few weeks ago I found the Plans for the New Extension (1906) it gives some names and Grave No's there is 343 graves in total I have also done the New Extension ( 1913 ) which as 36 Graves So I should have that part of the Job done in a few week. This will show the Funeral details the Grave No. who is in the grave and the location. Getting there slow but sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Good work, Ted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 The 1906 Grave plan is a bit of an head banger as ROW G as more graves than is shown on the plan there is also 4 graves up near the top but are not on the plans, On two the C.W.G.C. Stanley is 130 and Hale is No 147 but I get them as 129 and 148. Heart of Glass are going to scan the old plan and add the other graves it should be done by next week are so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttoner1 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Hello Ned, Thanks for your efforts to preserve the history of Prescot Cemetery, I have the deeds for my Great Grandfather Thomas Edward Healey's Grave in Section 4, Grave number 99, paid for by his Widow Elizabeth Ann Healey dated 17th May 1930. Do you or anybody else reading this have any ideas where Section 4 is ?, Is it worth me contacting Knowsley Council for further info ? I can send you copies of the deed and the invoice as jpeg attachments to help with your database and plan developments, just let me know where to send them. Thanks again Ned Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 Seen Steve to day and Section 4 is in the Cemetery not in St Mary's Graveyard he thinks it is as you come in from Manchester Rd the first Section on the Right. I have P.M. you with my details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttoner1 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Thanks very much Ned, I will take a wander down to the cemetery to see if I can find the grave in the next week and let you know if I manage to find it. I have sent copies of deed and invoice as jpg attachments to your email address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 The first section on the right as you go in is the small Section 12. As you walk along the path towards the old churchyard, with Section 12 on your right, Section 1 is on your left. Section 4 is in the far right distance, right into the corner. Buried in Section 4 is Ordinary Seaman Frederick William Woodward. CWGC record his grave as Section 4, Grave 165A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 Thanks Stephen Steve J do's he know anything I was there this morning doing the Graveyard an I had a quick look to see if I could find it I did not because I was in the wrong place But I did find an M.I. for Herbert Louis BOYER Suttoner 1 I will see if I can find it tomorrow if I do I will take a photo and send to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttoner1 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Thanks for your help Stephen, as long as I keep bearing slight right, hopefully I should find Thomas Edward Healey's grave, have to take my butties and flask, me thinks it could be a long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Ted, I'd be interested to see the MI for BOYER if you have a picture, as I have no mention of it on his page on my site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Stephen I will email you the photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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