towny Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Doe's anyone out there know the Tye family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Hi Towny, Do you have any more details/info. it might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towny Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Hi Elite. sorry for the complete lack of any information but I am new to this and thought it was all local based ie in the St Helens area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Hi Towny, the name's Phyll, elite is the membership status. I now live in the US, but as you said, this site is St. Helens based, but you have to give some info. to get some back, names, dates etc. Good Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le200 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I don't think Towny was after genealogy advice Phyll - it looks like he may be looking for old family friends to me. Welcome to Connect Towny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towny Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Hello Phyll, this would confuse a stupid person,DOH! You seem to be well informed on matters St.Helens. My problem is trying to find any of my ancestors who lived in the St.Helens area from 1861 foreword. I know in the 1861 census six of them lived in Crab St but I have only ever managed to trace one of them. My surname is Tye but they were always changing the spelling ie tyghe tigh tighe tiegh. I just wanted to throw out a line to see if anyone had a similar name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Hi Towny, I don't know if you already have this, but hope it helps for starters. There was a Patrick Tye married Sarah A Platt on 6/12/1887 at St. Mary's Lowe House, (which is near Crab St.) It looks like they are living at 54 Gladstone Street, in 1911 Census. Patrick Tye, Age 53, born 1858, Head, Fish Dealer. Sarah A Tye, Age 49, Wife, Assisting in Business. Andrew Tye, Age 15, Glassworks. Eliza Hudson, Age 13, Schoolgirl. I see them, as you said in 1861 as Tigh, looks like the same Patrick, Son. There are also some Tigh's in 1861 in Duke Street. I see Patrick and Sarah Tye also now on Connect Censuses in 1891 at 41 Lewis Street. There are other Tye's in St. Helens in 1891 too. Did you look at the Connect Censuses? There are lots of other Tye's etc on Ancestry, but I don't have full access at the moment, but it looks like 1911 is free at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towny Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 Thank you Phyll, you really do make an effort don't you. Yes I have followed Patrick and his wife Sarah to their resting place in St. Helens cemetery. Their son was actually born Andrew Lally and taken in by Sarah and Patrick. The Lally family have a big connection with the Tye's because Margaret Tye a sister of Patrick married George Lally and its one of their children Annie who gave birth illegitimately to Andrew who turns out to be my Granddad. The rest of the original family from Crab St. Ann the mother, Mary under stepdaughter and sons, John Andrew and Thomas have all vanished. You mention Duke St that's the first time I have come across that connection. Thanks for your input I appreciate it. By the way Andrew used the name Tye all his life with no problem until he retired and then to get his pension he had to prove who he was, officially he did not exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Thanks Towny, I do my best, I'm sure others on here will be willing to have a look too. Interesting story, if I come across anything else, I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummy Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 I don' suppose this will be much help Towny but my mother had an aunt whose married name was ETHEL TYE or surname sounding like that. I think her maiden name would have been Cunliffe as my mother's was.Her aunt when I new her lived in Rainhill.but I think she diid live round the Crab Street area at one time.Sorry that this is a little vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towny Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 I don' suppose this will be much help Towny but my mother had an aunt whose married name was ETHEL TYE or surname sounding like that. I think her maiden name would have been Cunliffe as my mother's was.Her aunt when I new her lived in Rainhill.but I think she diid live round the Crab Street area at one time.Sorry that this is a little vague. Thanks for that Lummy. I have no record of any Ethel Tye in my paperwork and a quick look at the cemetery records has no person of that name on its records. I appreciate the info and will file it away for possible future reference.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I've just noticed this. George Lally was my great granddad and theres still a headstone on his grave in the cemetery. I have looked for Margaret Tyes grave but the section has no headstones on it. Theres some connection with College street and a picture of the back of the house is on the heritage site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Your G/Mother Margaret was her name Lally or Tyes if it was Lally and she died in 1927 then she is buried on sec 34 which are could mean it may be a paurpers grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 There is a tree on Ancestry giving Patricks father and mother as Michael Tighe born Ireland 1823 died 1860 Lancashire(Prescot) and Ann Murphy born Ireland 1827 and list all children John 1869 Ireland Andrew 1853 Ireland Margaret 1856 St Helens Thomas 1860 St Helens Have you got the 1901 census in Grant Street no 39 ? it says Patrick was born in Ireland though and he was a general Labourer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towny Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Patrick who is my great Grandfather was born in St Helens in 1859 and Christened Patrick Tiegh at St Marys Lowe House. Its his parents I have never been able to track back to Ireland. Patricks sister Margaret married George Lally from College street and her maiden name was Tye. Searching for this family as been a struggle because the surname spelling keeps changing. Patrick does some 20 odd years in the army and ends up marrying a Sarah Platt and they take in a an unofficial way one of the Lally children, Andrew who is my Grandfather. Andrew went through most of his life as Andrew Tye and it was only when he tried to get his pension it was noticed that Andrews birth is not recorded nor was Andrew Lally, Cracking story isn't it. Thanks for the interest.. Hello Dion.George Lally Died and Margaret remarried someone called Clare. 1901 census but Margaret as head of the house. George and Margaret Lally ( I think this Margaret is his daughter) is buried with Thomas Tye. Very close these two family's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Did you find the other grave plot no 21/280 Michael Tighe born 1823 died 1860 John Tighe born 1847 died 1870 Ann Deasy born 1821 died 1875 Andrew Tighe born 1856 died 1883 After Michael died (aged only 37) maybe Ann Murphy married again to a Deasy? Or maybe Andrews mother was a Deasy.. if this is them of course, I'm only surmising, not worked out the dates or anything While looking into the name I found that the proper Irish version is Tighe a Connaught surname derived from the Irish forename Taidhg pronounced TIE (so thats were the English version comes in) also spelled Teague and means poet or bard Someone left a comment : My Tighe's origins are County Westmeath, they moved with the British Army through the Crimea to India, to England, settling in St Helens Lancashire !!!!! Ha wow! so there you go, Maybe Michael did the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towny Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Patrick Tye my great grandfather started his army career in the Connaught Rangers and that's the closest I have been to finding the origins of my family in Ireland. Having said that he was born in St Helens so possibly his army choice was just drawn out of a hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Or maybe he was fighting in his family tribe's regiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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