Rubber Ducky Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Dave, or somebody from ST Helen's where did Sutton Manor's name come from? was the every a Manor house, I know I used to work the #27 to Sutton & the #27a to Sutton Manor and correct me if i'm wrong ( which normally I am only thing I can win is a cold) but from my distance memory the #27a terminus used to be by a pub ( I thought it was the Boars head or am I miles away and that's on the 15/16 route to Parr) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not an expert RD, but maybe this might help. Taken from link below. "The extensive lands of Sutton Manor stretched across the open and flat land leading towards the Mersey. The Manors name itself is of unknown origin, but the land within the enlarged estate refer to several leading families including the Elton Head, Ravenhead, and Sherdley.[25] In 1212 William de Daresbury was the title holder of the Manors.[19] The Sherdley family trace back to the Northales who had been settled in the area since at least 1276 when they are referred to as plaintiffs in a boundary dispute with the Lords of Rainhill.[19]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Helens,_Merseyside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not sure if there was an actual manor,but i thought "Sutton" was a version of "southern" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llanyb Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Interesting question, RD. Just been checking my memory was correct, but the earliest OS maps (surveyed in the 1850s) don't show the name anywhere. And the maps surveyed in the 1880/1890s don't seem to either. So, it looks like the name was a 20th century invention created when the area started to get built up. All the area maps just include (most of) it in 'Sutton'. So, for instarce, there was Sutton Smalt Works down the (then) very rural Walkers Lane. Having said that, there must have been something that inspired the name. iirc, there is/was a moated farmhouse down Walkers Lane by the road junction where there used to be a tree in the middle of the road. Maybe someone close can confirm if that is/was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clancy Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 You are right Llanyb, there was a tree in the middle of the road. I do have a pic of it but sadly I can't find the DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpa lumpa Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 You are right Llanyb, there was a tree in the middle of the road. I do have a pic of it but sadly I can't find the DVD There was a tree in the middle of the road at the Junction of Walkers Lane and Chapel Lane,Chapel Lane led up to the junction of Warrington Rd near The Ship at Rainhill. Rumour had it there was a chest buried under that tree which contained a bottle of Champagne, and some other articles, don't know how true that was !!!,also just to the left of the junction there was a narrow lane, and public footpath that led down to a farmhouse, and carried on down to the 77 step bridge close to Rainhill.There was a factory built in Walkers Lane by Geest Bananas, which closed down some time ago, I think it now used by a Bus firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llanyb Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Had a thought and checked out Micklehead Green (is it still called that ?) on Google Earth and there's still a roughly rectangular site on the north side of the junction. Could be the moat (or drained remnants of it) still survive. Anyone in the area able to check sometime ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumpa lumpa Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 llanyb The first place on the left going North used to be Osram's light bulb factory, it is now the Police Training Academy, going north from there along Lea Green Rd, on the right were the ground looks brown is actually the Clay hole for Roughdales brickworks, which sadly closed down a while ago, don't know how long it as been since you last came home but the massive building on the other side of the railway line from the clay hole is a Cooperative distribution Centre.I only live a few minutes from there near the Mill house I may take a ride down, see if I can see anything . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Taken from the link below. "The exact derivation of Sutton is uncertain. It is thought the township took its name from 'Sudtun', old English for southern enclosure or south town and was likely to have been the southern portion of a Saxon thegn's estate." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton,_Merseyside Manors are mentioned in this History link. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41346 Sutton's Lords and Masters. http://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/lordsandmasters.html http://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/lordsandmasters_photoalbum.html Description of Sutton in 1894, with other links. http://uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Lancashire/towns/Sutton.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky D Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Sutton was an ancient Township and Manor. There is some little dispute as to where the Manor House was. The Bolds were the predominant family of Bold and Sutton, but they had their manor house opposite Clockface Colliery. There was a manor house at Micklehead, Eltonhead, Burtonhead, Shirdley etc. It is believed that there was a manor house at or close to the Colliery Site on Jubits Lane as the official address of Sutton Manor Colliery was always Manor Farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsygeoff Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Brill this,both my parents and grandparents were off the Manor.Just before Christmas there was a horse running at Doomben in Brisbane called ''Sutton Manor'' the Jockey was Lisa Sutton,trained by Barry Sutton,it was paying 28 to 1. Had $50 each way and it pissed it ,yee haaa. Thumpa is right about the white fence and the supposedly buried chest .The house that was in School Lane owned for eons by Nanny Bowler ,was supposed to be the main house in the area,but that I can't confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trejan Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Sutton was more than likely named after the Sutton family as were the other three original townships of Eccleston, Windle and Parr. I heard a few times that Catherine Parr was some relation to the Parr family and if you could research back far enough I suppose you could find some relation. When Prince Charlie boy was to marry Diana it was shown that they were related, something like fifth cousins four times removed. Talk about keeping it in the family ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber Ducky Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 you all for that that was a very intresting 15 mins reading that as somebody said "intresting question?" the actual thought/question came from the firm, Shell I WORK FOR they have a forum for the staff anywhere in the world, to ask Questions and 1 question that was asked where do the names come from of the sites that Shell have? so I have a confession to make it wasn't my orginal idea just put in to a my area I know ie bold collery etc etc & etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clancy Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Like the way you 'embellished' the story about the lady locked in the bathroom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave D Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Worked at Geest Bananas for 31 years the house you refer to was known as Micklehead House at the top of Chapel Lane and the junction with Walkers Lane. During the time I spent at Geest this site was excavated a few time by students from one of The Universities in Liverpool one dig lasted around 3 months but I don't recall any significant finds on the site at the time. There was various rumours locally about this house and tunnels leading to Loyola Hall at Rainhill but nothing was found to prove they existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsygeoff Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 When I was at Primary school at St.Barts at the stoops,we were told that during the reformation Jesuit brothers used to hide in the then Rainhill Hall,which became ,once rebuilt,the residence of one Bartholemew Bretherton.Who also built St Bartholemews in 1833, which is a copy of---Church of Santo Bartolomeo all'Isola. (St. Bartholomew on the Island). Bretherton owned 240 acres around where the church is situated, he also owned all the sandstone quarries and the coaching service to Liverpool and Warrington,from the Ship Inn(which was once called The New Inn)so the chances of their being any tunnels from one to the other is nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 The house you mentioned was called St Michaels at Micklehead Green, It was purchased by the N C B and the last person who lived was an underground official from Sutton manor Colliery named David Eden. He had a daughter called Jean who went to Cowley Girls school during the 1940's. later it fell into dis-repair. At the opposite end of Walkers Lane there was a large house standing in its own grounds called Brook House. I lived there with my grandparents Mr & Mrs Waddilove in the early 1940's it had six bedrooms two reception rooms a billiard room, dinning room large kitchen and numerous outbuildings. It was a lovely place to live, also, it had a full sized bowling green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinty Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Ray. If you want to see a picture of your grandfather have a look on the Sutton Beauty site I think he is pictured with the Sutton Manor ARP wardens group Circa 1940 Here is the Link. http://www.suttonbeauty.org.uk/suttonhistory/suttonwar2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinty Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 There was a Large House in Chester Lane almost opposite Four Acre Lane that was known as the Manor House occupied by the Stanley Family, I think it had been a Farm at one time could it have any bearing on the area being called Sutton Manor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmosh Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Was one off the Stanley family a coal merchant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinty Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I dont remember anyone of the Family having a coal business but there was one son who had a firewood business.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJGAZZA Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Would that be Dan Stanley, He used to be our coal man when we lived in Morris Street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The house was called, St Michaels, years ago there was a moat around it. In the 1940's it was used by the N C B. The last family to live there were Eden's. He was an underground supervisor, his daughter went to Cowley Girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinty Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 St Michaels House belonged to the Sherdley Park estate in the1930s and was occupied by the Davidson family Mr Davidson was the estate manager/gamekeeper for Michael Hughes and his son Peter was a fiend of mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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