sweetIsis Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Hi all, I have the surname Case all over my family tree, but this line is from my Uncle Ted's family. As opposed to my other Case ancestors this Case line were RC and I've found it difficult getting many records online. Anyway (I'm going round the houses here!) I've been looking for the birth and death of John Case, who I believe was born in Windle c 1844, I wasn't certain of his death date but I knew it was between 1874 and 1881. Yesterday, I was reading 'Mr Almond's diary' (which I got from the downloads section on here) when lo and behold, on the first page, Mr Almond records 'John Case was buried in the cemetery on the 5th July 1876'. So I checked BMD and found the death and checked St. Helens cemetery - no record of the burial!. I've checked other things Mr. Almond recorded, and have to say in most instances he was spot on. Has anybody else had any instances where people are supposed to be buried in the cemetery, but no records appear on the cemetery site?, or I'm wondering if maybe John Case was buried at Windleshaw Chantry, does anybody have any burial records from there? Also Mr Almond refers to the 'Old Ground', could this be Windleshaw Chantry? Hope you can all understand all that!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Could it have referred to one of the other burial grounds? Christchurch, Eccleston; Parish Church; St.Thomas', Westfield Street; perhaps one of the Roman Catholic Churches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrle Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Will send PM Margie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llanyb Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 My understanding is that the St Helens FHS is soon to publish (I'd assume on CD/DVD) the burial records for Windleshaw Chantry. [i've been involved in doing transcriptions and I believe they're all done and being checked.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetIsis Posted July 30, 2010 Author Share Posted July 30, 2010 Could it have referred to one of the other burial grounds? Christchurch, Eccleston; Parish Church; St.Thomas', Westfield Street; perhaps one of the Roman Catholic Churches? It turns out he meant Windleshaw Chantry, both Marrle and busybee have found the burial for me, thanks anyway. My understanding is that the St Helens FHS is soon to publish (I'd assume on CD/DVD) the burial records for Windleshaw Chantry. [i've been involved in doing transcriptions and I believe they're all done and being checked.] Sounds interesting, do you have any idea how much it will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 It turns out he meant Windleshaw Chantry, both Marrle and busybee have found the burial for me, thanks anyway... Well done to Marrie and busybee - no end to the resourcefulness of the members of this site. I have some Cases in my lot - my great-grandmother's family on my dad's side (although he had been adopted - so not the blood-line), but they don't seem to link in to any of your names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetIsis Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Could they link to my other Case lot who came from Prescot and Whiston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Could they link to my other Case lot who came from Prescot and Whiston? I'll double check names/dates/places and get back to you later this evening - got some kiddie-minding to do this afternoon . My great-grandmother's maiden name was Martha Case - only one I can do from the 'top of my head'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulineH Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Hi Sylvia We have transcribed all the available records for Windleshaw Chantry. Unfortunately they will not be released on CD as we do not have the permission of the church. However they will be available at the local history and archives office and we will be happy to do look ups for anyone and provide a copy of the entry. Contact us on townshipsFHS@googlemail.com I am please to say that John Case of St Helens is buried at Windleshaw Chantry died 2 July 1876 buried 5 July 1876 aged 55 years. There is no grave number. Hope this helps Regards Pauline Hurst Secretary St Helens Townships FHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetIsis Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Thank you Pauline, that's very much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyR Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Hi Is your John Case the same person who is listed in the 1851 census as a grandson of Jonathan Case, living in Windle in the same household as Richard and Martha Gaskell? Jonathan Case was born in Liverpool and christened in St Peters Church in 1782. His parents were John Case, a sawyer, and Ann Lyon, who married at St Peters in 1778. Jonathan married Martha Middlehurst in 1804 at Prescot, but was already resident in Windle at that time. He worked as a watchmaker in his youth and I believe that some other family members took up this trade. Although the Gaskells are listed as lodgers they were Jonathan's daughter and son-in-law and were catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Hi BettyR, Welcome to Connect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Could they link to my other Case lot who came from Prescot and Whiston? I have the following in my Case family: Thomas Case(b 1807 - d 1886) my g-g-g-grandfather - married twice. Occupation 1841 - Watchmaker - living Gerard's Bridge. Lived in and around Gerard's Bridge, College Lane (Gerard's Bridge), Eccleston Street and Lyon Street. 1st wife Mary Case (b 1807 - d 1845) my g-g-g-grandmother married 1828 and mother of Jane Case (1829) Thomas Case (1832) William Case 1(836) *Peter Case (1837 - 1903) - my g-g-grandfather Joseph Case (1843) 2nd wife Esther Brogan (or Brogdan) Case (widow b Ireland 1803) - married in 1846 - he must have needed somebody to look after all those children while he was working . Esther had 6 children of her own by the time her first husband died in 1838. *Peter Case (1837-1903) married Alice Lythgoe (b 1839 Orford Lane, Warrington) Occupation given as Glassmaker. Also lived around Gerard's Bridge, College Lane (Gerard's Bridge), Eccleston Street and Lyon Street. Their children were: Mary Case (1862) Elizabeth Case (1865) Ellen Case (1867) Jane Case (1870) Alice Case (1872) **Thomas Case (1875) Martha Case (1877 - 1956) - my g-grandmother **Thomas Case (1875) married Margaret 'Maggie' Kellett (b 1877) and they had a daughter Alice Case (b 1899) Martha Case (1877-1956) married James Arthur Thompson (b 1875 - 1941) in 1897. Their children were: Arthur Thompson (1898 - 1973) - my grandfather Herbert Thompson (1902-1932) Annie Thompson (1904 - ?) Frederick Thompson (1908 - 1985) James Thompson (1916 - 1973) I've not dug any deeper yet with the earlier generation of Case family - so it's still a work in practise. When I get some more names/dates/places etc, I'll repost them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetIsis Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hi, Yes that is the same John Case, although I hadn't connected the Richard and Martha Gaskell. John was also RC and was married to Elizabeth Brunskill. If you have any more info on the family I'll be happy to share what I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyR Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hi It's been good to see information about the Case family coming up. Thanks to all contributors. I think that Thomas Case, born 1807, and listed in the 1841 census as living at Gerards Bridge, is a son of Jonathan Case and his wife Martha. I base this on the fact that in the 1851 census Jonathan has a grandson, Thomas, a 19 year old watchmaker living at the same adress. This would appear to be the same individual who was listed as Thomas senior's 9 year old son in 1841. I would have absolute confidence if I could see a baptismal record. In the early 19th century, where would catholics have gone to have children baptised? I suspect that records from St Mary's Lowe House would be of interest to me, but again I don't know how those would be accessed. Does anyone have any information on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hi It's been good to see information about the Case family coming up. Thanks to all contributors. I think that Thomas Case, born 1807, and listed in the 1841 census as living at Gerards Bridge, is a son of Jonathan Case and his wife Martha. I base this on the fact that in the 1851 census Jonathan has a grandson, Thomas, a 19 year old watchmaker living at the same adress. This would appear to be the same individual who was listed as Thomas senior's 9 year old son in 1841. I would have absolute confidence if I could see a baptismal record. In the early 19th century, where would catholics have gone to have children baptised? I suspect that records from St Mary's Lowe House would be of interest to me, but again I don't know how those would be accessed. Does anyone have any information on that? Hello BettyR Many thanks for that extra 'generation' for my Case Family. I'll check it all out, but it certainly seems to fit at the moment. Is the Case family of interest to you? If so, I have a photo of Martha Case (b 1877 d 1956) as a young woman - must have been taken around 1897. There is a matching one of James Arthur Thompson who she married that year - don't understand why they were photographed separately. Maybe they were also photographed together - who knows - I just have the photos of them separate. As a child (I was 5yrs old when she died), I remember Martha (Case) Thompson as being a bit of a battle-axe - nothing at all like her young photo which shows her as a very pretty young woman. However it's so obvious that her only daughter, Annie Thompson (later Lyon) was the absolutely image of her . Please let me know if you would like a copy of the Martha Case photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyR Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Hello BettyR Many thanks for that extra 'generation' for my Case Family. I'll check it all out, but it certainly seems to fit at the moment. Is the Case family of interest to you? If so, I have a photo of Martha Case (b 1877 d 1956) as a young woman - must have been taken around 1897. There is a matching one of James Arthur Thompson who she married that year - don't understand why they were photographed separately. Maybe they were also photographed together - who knows - I just have the photos of them separate. As a child (I was 5yrs old when she died), I remember Martha (Case) Thompson as being a bit of a battle-axe - nothing at all like her young photo which shows her as a very pretty young woman. However it's so obvious that her only daughter, Annie Thompson (later Lyon) was the absolutely image of her . Please let me know if you would like a copy of the Martha Case photograph. Hello Olliebeak I adore old photographs and would love to see those you have of cousin Martha Case and her beloved. My folk come from a different branch of what must be a large extended family starting with Jonathan Case and Martha Middlehurst. I've traced back through their daughter, another Martha Case. Thanks BettyR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetIsis Posted October 7, 2010 Author Share Posted October 7, 2010 Thanks Ollie for the extra info, I hadn't realised Thomas had married twice. This isn't my direct line, but I have been trying to trace it back for my cousin, who is from this line, so they'll be pleased with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Ollie, I know this topic is really about Case. But I noticed something that you wrote. You said you had an Alice Lythgoe from Warrington. My GGG Grandmother was Sarah Lythgoe, b1803 in Warrington. Married Peter Chadwick in 1820 and Died 1842. Do you think there's any connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 My great-grandmother's maiden name was Martha Case - only one I can do from the 'top of my head'. Did Martha have an older brother Jonathan born around 1850? Edit = sorry, I jumped into the thread before reading all the posts. I have a very loose connection to Jonathan Case who married Dorothy Rimmer 31/5/1873 at St Mary's Lowe House. I think he had a younger sister Martha born around 1853. Paula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Hi Phyll At the moment I can't find a Sarah Lythgoe - possibly a cousin (?) - I'll keep hunting around - I'll be back on around lunchtime or this afternoon, so will have another try then . Hi Paula - same goes for your Jonathan connection - I'll keep searching . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrb Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 My GrandfatherX3 James Holden born 1830 son of James & Ann Holden nee Brocklehurst married Esther Brogan daughter of James & Esther Brogan found the following six children Jane 1827, James 1829 both born Ireland, Joseph 22nd Feb 1831, Esther 1833, Catherine 6th March 1834 and John 16th Sept 1837 all born Eccleston St Helens. Joseph married Mary Dale 1850 Catherine married John Platt 1860 BettyR – The records for St Mary R.C. Blackbrook are held Lancashire Records Office (M.F.4/2), Esther Brogan was baptised there 20th January 1833 Godparent Sarah Burns, no date of birth listed also no maiden name in records, the other Brogan children was baptised at Lowe House Cousin Sharon and I are willing to share info, we are desperately looking for details on James Holden's grandfather John Holden / Holding born about 1766 he married Elizabeth Allcock at St Helens Chapel 24th August 1788 wit James Tarbuck, William Davis Hi Ollie – Just tried to PM about the Brogan / Holden families but I got a message saying that you cannot receive any new messages, would you like to PM me Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Hi wrb - I've cleared some space in my messages, tried to send you a message and got a message back telling me that yours is full now . We'll get there yet. I'll send you a message via email instead . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybee Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Hi all just logged on after a busy spell off the site and have noticed this thread. I am connected to the Jonathan Case & Martha Middlehurst tree also. They are my 4x Great Grandparents, I am decended from their son Jonathan b1816 who married Mary Holland. Jonathan & Martha Case had six children by my research, Thomas b1807 Jonathan b1816 Peter b1821 Twins James b1826 Joseph Martha b1831 Martha married Richard Gaskell 11/12/1849 Busybee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcase Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Hi, My Name is Jeff Case from St Helens, I have researched the Case Family tree and this may be of intrest to you, I also joined the St Helens Family history club and had lots of help from them. John Case(1742) Anne Lyon (1745) married 1778 St Peters Liverpool Children Mary Case (b) 7 Oct 1780 Henry Case (b) 24 Oct 1782 Jonathan Case (b) 24 Oct 1782 Samuel Case (b) 17 May 1788 Jonathan Case (1782) Martha Middlehurst (1783) married 16th April 1804 St Peter Liverpool Watchmaker Children Thomas Case b(1805) windle Married 26 Aug 1827 Farnworth chapel Mary Whitfield b (1806) Eccleston Glassmaker John Case b(1806) windle Married 25 Nov 1825 Farnworth chapel Alice Genion b (1807) windle Henry Case b (1808) windle Married 7 Dec 1825 Farnworth Chapel Susannah Mulvannah b (1809) Ireland Jonathan Case b (1814) windle Married 31 Dec 1837 upholland Chapel Mary Holland b (1813) Eccleston William Case b (1816) windle Married 14 Apr 1839 St Mary's lowe Hse Ann Robinson b (1817) Eccleston Peter Case b (1821) windle Married 17 Dec 1862 St Mary's lowe Hse Alice Lythgoe b (1823) Eccleston Joseph Case b (1823) windle Married 18 Aug 1844 Rainford Chaple Mary Smith James Case b (1827) windle Joseph Case Married Mary Smith watchmaker next generation below John Case b 1845 Married Elizabeth Brunskill b 1843 next generation below John Henry Case b 1874 Married Catherine Hunter b (1876) Next Generation below Edward Case ( TED ) b (1902) Married Clara Daniels b (1905) My Granparents Next Generation John Derek Case b 1944 Married June Howard b 1947 My Parents I have not included all the children of all the generations as it will take ages, hope of intrest Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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