jill Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 OK who's been up since midnight checking the census. We've done a few, credit card's red hot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I got 6 transcripts for £7 - the robbing swines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunty Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 i think i'll hang on till 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I haven't bothered as yet, although I'm itching to get into it. I could probably sort out all of my family tree entries for about £20 (given the price of £2.50 - £3.00 depending on the number of credits purchased), but given that I would love to locate the 300+ men from my Prescot Roll of Honour website then it would simply cost too much. I'll probably weaken within a week or so, though Website is here and there's a blog with some interesting information at this address Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jill Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 got our main rellies, thrown up a few questions and areas requiring more investigation. These will keep me going until it gets cheaper on Ancestry or summat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 The transcriptions are as dubious as ever. It has my 15 year old grandad as a Colliery Crump Minder. I've googled that but it seems as though there's no such thing. It has my other 16 year old grandad as an apprentice butcher, which might be right, but I know that he was a blacksmith for the rest of his life, so whether that would be a transcription mistake, I don't know yet. I wasn't going to pay nearly £3.50 (at the 12p per credit rate) for a single scan, so like you Jill, I'll be waiting for Ancestry before I get any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybee Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Just been on and found my family but credits running out fast. Busybee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It isn't nice, is it? As usual, the more disposable income you have (i.e. the richer you are) the easier it is to find out about your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 OK who's been up since midnight checking the census. We've done a few, credit card's red hot!! I got mine at 7pm last night. got through £24.96 before 7.30pm.I dont know what time it really started. I found all the ones I wanted to though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen nulty Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It's highly unlikely that this census will find it's way to Ancestry, certainly not for a few years. The National Archives are in partnership with a compoany called "brightsolid", owners of "findmypast" to scan and transcribe this and the net cost is several millions of pounds, which of course needs to be recouped. As usul, the business model will have heavy charges up front, hence the 20-30 credits to view a transcription or an image. It is of course possible to subscribe to "findmypast" in much the same way as Ancestry, but the subscription does not include access to the 1911 census. It is proposed that this subscription-level access will become available "later in 2009". I read this to be MUCH later in 2009, certainly when the initial flood of people willing to pay for credits has abated. "findmypast" already offers some data sources which Ancestry doesn't, and they'll be in no hurry to share the 1911 census as it's going to generate an awful lot of money for them. I personally don't have any problems with the fact that you have to pay to access these images as there has been a significant outlay in preparing them for online access, as mentioned above. The information is also available free of charge to visitors to the National Archives in Kew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 There isn't really too much that I can learn from 1911, so it's just a bit of a novelty. I suppose that I was a bit surprised at the prices because I remember being able to buy the 1881 transcription for the whole of the British census (millions of records) for less than 30 quid. In other years you could buy a whole county of images for about 40 quid and then on Ancestry where you could buy access to everything available for about 80 quid. So yesterday, I found a transcription of my grandfather's family when they were living in Wigan for something over a pound. I'm so glad that I knew that they came from Walkden (nr. Bolton) because this transcription said that they came from 'Waltsden' and 'Wallsden'. I could have paid a further 3 quid to see the scan, but after that I didn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotcomdan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 "findmypast" already offers some data sources which Ancestry doesn't, and they'll be in no hurry to share the 1911 census as it's going to generate an awful lot of money for them. I am a member of "Find My Past" and "Ancestry", of the two I find Ancestry is better at searches in as much as you don't have to go through pages and pages before finding the right one. If you don't pay a years subscription it becomes expensive to do credit's all the time, so I stayed with "Ancestry" even though I have reported a few erroneous transcripts on there. One plus for the 1911 Census is that the scans are in colour, which means you can differentiate the ink colours more clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chm Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Am I the only cheapskate out there who has figured out you can work out most of who's in a family (with the same surname) from the free index? I also checked a few (for free at the National Archives), ok, sometimes it's nice to know about the lodgers and Uncle Bill who are also there, or what the exact address is, or how many children had died (one father put the names of those down and then crossed them out) or how many years the couple had been married, but for a lot of the family tree I just want to know who married who & what the kids' names were, and that's all pretty easy to get free. Corinne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yeah, that is a good idea. When 1901 came out somebody made a program to go on the site and do the same (automatically collect by references). It was pretty good. I don't know if the same could be done with this one though. Nevertheless, it's probably worth doing it manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanetta Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I am a member of "Find My Past" and "Ancestry" - of the two I find Ancestry is better at searches in as much as you don't have to go through pages and pages before finding the right one. If you don't pay a years subscription it becomes expensive to do credit's all the time, so I stayed with "Ancestry" even though I have reported a few erroneous transcripts on there.One plus for the 1911 Census is that the scans are in colour, which means you can differentiate the ink colours more clearly. I too subscribe to both Ancestry and findmypast. I HATE findmypast, and feel I was conned by them as they have so few Northern records. I have found so many ancestors on Ancestry; it's not perfect by any means but it is user-friendly and got lots of info. Whereas findmypast is so cumbersome to use, and also I've not found ONE ancestor on there. I've even tested it, where I know a records exists on a census in Ancestry but when I put the same info on the search for findmypast it shows "0 records". So irritating. Sorry for the rant but I have been feeling very cross for ages; and now to charge so much for access to 1911, when I have an annual useless subscription - very annoying and unfair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb from rome Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Could Jill or Tulip or someone who's been spending on there tell me what is the point of getting the 30-credit view of the page. It doesn't give you any more info than the 10-credit transcript. Or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 (I'll take on the role of 'or someone') There's a possibility that you'll see your ancestor's handwriting on the household page. But for that you might as well wait until 2012 when the 'redacted' stuff won't be blanked out. click picture to expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jill Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 we only bought 1 original transcript, until we noticed how many credits it used. It does state how many children they had and how many were still living. There are a lot of transcription errors, I couldn't find someone I was looking for and had to try other members of the family only to discover she was listed as Eleth instead of Ethel, I'm sure Ancestry would have shown this record with their fuzzy search or whatever it's called. We had a survey thing from Find my Past asking for feedback on their site, I told them in no uncertain terms what I thought of it, and how I felt conned, as the blurb implies they have the complete census, which they don't. I know I should have read the small print! The parish records have been quite useful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvy20 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Hi all, Just a thought - I like quite a few have accessed the 1911 Census. Is there any way all accessed info could be included in a St Helens Connect 1911 Census database so that information could be shared ? Over to you Dave .. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Not easily. A transcript page can be copied into Excel, but then you'd need to make more fields for the address, the district, the references, etc., and then duplicate that info for each person. Then we'd need to get everybody's info together into a master spreadsheet and import it into SQL. Or - it could all be input manually into a database from a web form. It'd be nowhere near as easy as it was to get the other data that we have for the indexes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nb from rome Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I did find another branch of my family which wasn't there in 1901, so that's good. Do you think Ancestry is the one to join for other info? I have been using Genes Reunited but haven't done anything for a while. When I started all this a couple of years ago I started by finding my grandfather, just over from Ireland all on his own, on the 1901 Census site. I've just checked that site and he's still there. Why shouldn't he be? you might say, and I'll tell you that he doesn't come up at all on Genes or Ancestry, despite all their help and fuzzy searches. The best site in the world is the St Helens Deceased cemetery site. Right on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splus Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Ancestry is definitely the best NB. Although, that said, it has not helped me with my g grandfather who is there is 1901 with all his family but not in ANY other census. His family are, just not him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 His family are, just not him! Some people didn't like the census and they stayed away from home on the night on purpose. It may be that he couldn't escape in 1901? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I just did the seach part and going on ideas from others I found one of my St Helen's Naylor lines that married into a Mann line going from Much Woolton to Eastry Kent along with 2 new children. I know for sure its the same family cause of the names of the 2 older son's Malcolm and Norman. Malcolm was down as Malcolm Taylor Mann when his middle name is Naylor. No big deal tho just a transcription error. Sharon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I forget Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hi, A few questions on accessing 1911.. Just wondering, I can get to the National Archives and spend about 5 hours there for about £30 (including train fare, cups of tea, photocopying, etc). So, approx how many families/records can you (on average) get for £30 worth of credits? (ie if I sat at home and just used the computer) (Was just wondering how many I would need to find to make it a worthwhile trip.. providing I don't go shopping as well of course!) Also, a question for those who have used the 1911 (or similar at the NA, I have only been there once for war records, I used to use the FRC for census lookups until I could get on Ancestry at the local library) Can you use a memory stick and download the 1911 images at all? Or is it just printing out a copy only that is possible? I have uploaded census images in the past so that I could then access them at home, but I don't know if that would work on the 1911? Cindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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