Phizz Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 They came to St Helens from Liverpool between 1841 and 1851 and I have lost the eldest son Aaron born 1837. Has anyone got Phythian's in their tree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 They came to St Helens from Liverpool between 1841 and 1851 and I have lost the eldest son Aaron born 1837. Has anyone got Phythian's in their tree? I have Aaron in my wifes tree. Son of James and Sarah, nee Yates. Sadly I am also missing any further deatils on him apart from being able to track him as far as 1851 census. His younger sister is my wifes G Grandmother. I can be contacted direct Regards Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvy20 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Hi, This may be of interest to both of you. An Aaron Phythian m Hannah Taylor AMJ 1858 at Toxteth Park,St Michael. 1861 Census Sandy Lane Orrell Aaron Phythian Head 27 Nail Maker b Liverpool Hannah wife 22 b Liverpool RG9/2783 folio 116 pg 8 1871 Census 12 Sandy Lane Orrell Aaron Phythian Head 35 Nail Maker b Liverpool Hannah wife 32 b Liverpool Ann d 9 b Orrell Elizabeth A d 4 b Liverpool Mary d 1 b Orrell RG10/3896 folio 99 page 23 1881 Census Aaron Phythian Head 45 Nail Maker b Liverpool Hannah wife 42 b Liverpool Mary d 11 b Orrell Wilfred s 5 b Orrell Margaret d 2 b Orrell RG11/3644 folio 55 page 39 Could not find Aaron or Hannah in 1891 or 1901 Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizz Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 I found this Aaron and Hannah but the marriage certificate gives his father as Thomas Phythian not James Phythian as I know it should be. Thankyou anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Tyrer Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I have an Annie Phythian in my tree. b: 9 Feb 1898 d: 25 Oct 1986. She married John Tinsley Tyrer 25 Jun 1925. Unfortunately, i have no other info at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizz Posted November 7, 2007 Author Share Posted November 7, 2007 I don't have this Annie but should like more information if you find it. There are a lot of Phythians around Liverpool and St Helens and it would be good to connect them if possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickp Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I have an Annie Phythian in my tree. b: 9 Feb 1898 d: 25 Oct 1986. She married John Tinsley Tyrer 25 Jun 1925.Unfortunately, i have no other info at the moment.I have the Tyrer tree as once diplayed in the shop - not sure of its veracity but it goes back a long way!MickThey came to St Helens from Liverpool between 1841 and 1851 and I have lost the eldest son Aaron born 1837. Has anyone got Phythian's in their tree? I've got this one in the collection of Phythian trees I created trying to join us all up but they're up in the roof at the moment - give me a few days and I'll look up.Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Tyrer Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 I also have the Tyrer Tree, which is still displayed in the shop. Alyson, the Business Director is my 4th Cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kath Threlfall Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I have an Annie Phythian in my tree. b: 9 Feb 1898 d: 25 Oct 1986. She married John Tinsley Tyrer 25 Jun 1925. Do you have any info on the Tinsley connection? My great grandmother's maiden name was Tinsley - she married a John Britch in 1897. Kath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulH Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Hi I am descended from a Mary Phythian (born 1848) who was married to Moses Phythian. He was a clogger at the top of Clipsley Lane in Haydock. They had a number of children and I am lucky enough to have a family bible that Mary compiled which lists her marriage to Moses as well as the births and subsequent marriages of their children. Any connection out there? Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdobeFlats Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 There was a well-known Phythian's butchers in St Helens. So they have certainly been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliebeak Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 ..I am descended from a Mary Phythian (born 1848) who was married to Moses Phythian... No Phythians in my family BUT - you can't help but smile at 'Aaron Phythian' and 'Moses Phythian'. There just HAS to be a connection there somewhere. All they need now is a 'Miriam' to complete the Biblical trio . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RATTY Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 And Amram was the father I bet And Jochebed the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyll Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Hannah and Sarah are Bible names too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizz Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 I have found a lot of details of the family of Moses Phythian but cannot find any connection with my line. Strangely they were in the registers of St James Haydock where my family belonged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejayess Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 On 1861 I found a William Aaron Phythian age 24 birthplace Much Malton but should probably read Much Woolton, occupation Blacksmith he is unmarried living at Newdigate St. Nantwich as a boarder. The name William has been added in over the top of Aaron with an asterisk at the side, so could this be him as his occupation on the previous census was Smith and his father was a Blacksmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizz Posted May 29, 2011 Author Share Posted May 29, 2011 Thanks. The age is only two years out and his father was a blacksmith so this could be the Aaron I am looking for. I'll try to find more about him in Nantwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejayess Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Thanks. The age is only two years out and his father was a blacksmith so this could be the Aaron I am looking for. I'll try to find more about him in Nantwich. On your earlier post you said Aaron was born 1837 so age 24 on 1861 census puts him at the right age not 2 years out, . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickp Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Is this any help? Mick Moses Phythian, occupation 1814 Farmer. He married Betty Culcheth, married 19 June 1798 in Billinge. I. Samuel Phythian , b. 1800 in Pemberton, occupation 1861 Blacksmith. He married Mary Smith , married 27 November 1822 in St Nicholas, Liverpool, b. 1801 in Liverpool. A. John Moses Phythian , baptized 24 April 1823 in St Nicholas, Liverpool. B. Elizabeth Phythian , b. 6 June 1826 in Wigan, baptized 20 June 1826 in Wigan. C. Martha Phythian , b. 16 May 1832 in Wigan, baptized 1 June 1832 in Wigan. D. Catherine Phythian , b. 28 January 1834 in Wigan, baptized 15 February 1834 in Wigan. E. Ellen Phythian , b. 1836, baptized 27 March 1836 in St Katherines, Blackrod. F. Samuel Phythian , b. 1838, baptized 9 April 1838 in St Katherines, Blackrod. G. Samuel Phythian , b. 1839, baptized 20 October 1839 in St Katherines, Blackrod, occupation 1861 Boilermaker. He married Mary Ann Riley , married 7 September 1863 in Manchester Cathedral, b. 1846. 5] 1. Thomas Phythian , b. 1864 in Droylesden. He married Maria X , b. 1869 in Hyde, Cheshire. a. Percy Phythian , b. 1890 in Gorton, Lancashire. b. Walter Phythian , b. 1893 in Gorton, Lancashire. c. Albert Victor Phythian , b. 1898 in Gorton, Lancashire. d. Minnie Phythian , b. 1900 in Gorton, Lancashire. 5] 2. Sarah Rebecca Phythian , b. 1866 in Droylesden. II. Betty Phythian , b. 1803, buried 15 April 1815 in Upholland. III. Ellen Phythian , b. 10 May 1805 in Wigan, baptized 9 June 1805 in Wigan. IV. Mary Phythian , b. 1807. She married John Wadsworth , married 1831. V. Catharine Phythian , b. 28 Dec 1810 in Wigan, baptized 27 Jan 1811 in Wigan. VI. Nathan Phythian , b. 1813, buried 5 May 1814 in Upholland. VII. Moses Phythian , b. 1815, occupation 1881 Farmer. He married Jane Wadsworth , married 14 February 1839 in Wigan. A. Thomas Phythian , b. 1839. He married Mary X , b. 1841 in Pemberton. 5] 1. Phoebe Phythian , b. 1863 in Pemberton. 5] 2. Moses Phythian , b. 1865 in Pemberton. B. Mary Phythian , b. 1841 in Pemberton. C. William Phythian , b. 1843 in Pemberton, occupation 1881 Farmer. He married Alice x , b. 1854 in Ashton-in-Makerfield. 5] 1. Moses Phythian , b. 1875 in Ashton-in-Makerfield, occupation 1901 Farmer. He married Jane X , b. 1869 in Billinge. 5] 2. William Phythian , b. 1877 in Ashton-in-Makerfield. 5] 3. Robert Phythian , b. 1878 in Ashton-in-Makerfield. 5] 4. Mary Jane Phythian , b. 1880 in Ashton-in-Makerfield. 5] 5. George Phythian , b. 1881 in Pemberton. D. Elizabeth Phythian , b. 1845 in Billinge. She married William Abbott , married 27 April 1869 in Billinge. E. John Phythian , b. 1848 in Wigan, occupation 1881 Marine, occupation 1901 Coal Hewer. He married Emma M Old , b. 1854 in Portsmouth. 5] 1. Charles W Phythian , b. 1879 in Queenstown, Ireland. 5] 2. Phoebe E Phythian , b. 1880 in Gosport, Hants. 5] 3. Elizabeth H Phythian , b. 1881 in Portsea. 5] 4. Adelaide Phythian , b. 1886 in Gosport, Hants. 5] 5. Louisa Phythian , b. 1891 in Wigan. 5] 6. Florence Phythian , b. 1894 in Billinge. 5] 7. Eva Phythian , b. 1896 in Ashton-in- Makerfield. 5] 8. Grace Phythian , b. 1889. F. Moses Phythian , b. 1851 in Billinge, d. in 1922, occupation 1881 Clogger. He married Mary X , b. 1848 in Billinge, d. 12 February 1922 in Clipsley Lane, Haydock. 5] 1. Jane Phythian , b. 1879 in Billinge. 5] 2. Mary Alice Phythian , b. 1880 in Billinge. 5] 3. Moses Phythian , b. 1883 in Billinge, occupation 1901 Clogger. 5] 4. Ellen Phythian , b. 1885 in Haydock. 5] 5. John Phythian , b. 1887 in Haydock, occupation 1901 Clogger. 5] 6. Catherine Phythian , b. 1889 in Haydock. 5] 7. Charles Phythian , b. 1876. G. George Phythian , b. 1855 in Billinge, occupation 1901 Farmer. He married (1) Hannah X , b. 1856 in Roby Mill. He married (2) Elizabeth X , b. 1871 in Peasley Cross. 5] 1. Elizabeth Phythian , b. 1884 in Bolton. 5] 2. Edith Phythian , b. 1887 in Bolton. 5] 3. George Phythian , b. 1900 in Bolton. H. Jane Ann Phythian , b. 1858 in Billinge. I. Alice Ellen Phythian , b. 1864. J. Catherine Phythian , b. 1866. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
done Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 1871 Census - I have a James Phythian aged 60 (not my relative) a visitor staying at the Hope & Anchor, City, Windle, born in Ashton. Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3862; Folio: 36; Page: 28; GSU roll: 841935. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 45 Posted April 16, 2016 Share Posted April 16, 2016 I have an Aaron Pythian in my tree, married Edith Tonks, had a son Leslie who died aged 12 of menningitis. I dont have any details as yet on Aaron but I may have a photo of him and I do have a photo of Leslie and his grave! Inbox me for details or if you are related. Edith Tonks was my great -aunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizz Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 Would your Aaron have been born in 1837? He was the brother of my great grandmother, so could have been too old to be married to your great aunt. I shall look for this possible marriage though and will tell you what I find. Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 45 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Yes Phizz i have that he is born 1837, but then his wife Edith was born 1899 and they married in 1917 so his birth date really doesn't fit, I hadn't noticed before! I wonder if there was a father and son both called Aaron and the son married Edith, with the father being born in 1837? Have you found anything that would clarify this? I have details of gravestone for Leslie Cedric Pythian son of Aaron and Edith Pythian, who died 2nd Dec 1930 something aged 12 years. Thanks x Just done a bit more research, name is spelt PHYTHIAN, Aaron born 1897 married Edith, and his father is indeed called Aaron also so he must be the one born 1837! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizz Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 I have found the marriage of Aaron and Edith Tonks on Lancs BMD but I cannot find any other Aaron yet. As they were married in 1917 at St Peter Parr, which is the church of all my Phythian family, I think there may be some connection and I am still looking for more Aaron Phythians. I have just found the burial of Aaron Phythian aged 26 on 25th August 1863 at St Thomas Eccleston. His home is given as Parr so don't know why he was buried at St Thomas. In 1851 he was aged 14 a blacksmith at Parr so I now believe that the above census for 1861 was my Aaron living in Monks Coppenhall as a boarder with the family of James Greenall, who was also a blacksmith from Parr. I have the Greenall name as a witness in some of the marriages in my tree. He could have been married and had a son before 1864 but that would mean he would be the grandfather of your Aaron. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANK Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 FYI, here's a photo from 1911 (taken from the upstairs window of the Huntsman Public House - now a Tesco) which shows the clogger's shop at No3 Clipsley lane Haydock. The shop, inhabited at that time by Moses Phythian, his wife Mary along with Moses junior, Elizabeth and George, is the one on the extreme right of the photo with the man standing in the doorway leaning on the door frame - Moses himself? Also shown is no21 Clipsley lane where John and Annie Phythian were living at that time. No 21 is the one in the centre of the photo with the woman in the white dress standing outside. I was born at No15 Clipsley lane back in the 50's when Mrs Phythian was living at No5 with her son. We used to call her 'Aunty Ginnie' as she was such a kind lady. Here's a couple more photo's. One from 1900 when Moses, Mary and kids were in residence. The shutters are up on the shop window as it's probably Sunday because of the walking day. The second photo shows the shop in late 50's-early 60's (another walking day - we liked them in Haydock) when it was run as Taylor's, a painting and decorators supplier. That whole block of buildings was demolished in the 1980's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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