MORRIS, HIGHCOCK, ECCLESTON, GARNER

[chm]

I've got a lot of information about any & all Morrises, Highcocks & Ecclestons in the St Helens area, related to me or not, and am happy to share. Other surnames I've got limited information about, where they're related to me:

 

Garner, Eden, Dixon, Holland, Rigby, Forber, Cheetham, Twist, Woodcock, Barlow, Cun(d)liffe, Marsh, Shuttleworth, Draper, Larkin, Morley, Smith, Harrison, Pigott, Ashall, Cowley, Chadwick, Martindale, Halsall, Bacon, Glover, Wood(s), Wailing/Waling/Wayling, Sim(p)kin, Arnold, Hill, Butterworth, Tonks, Howard, Pilkington, Appleton, Ashton, Southward, Garbit/Garbett/Garbutt, Brown, Makin, Stirrup, Jenkins, Swift, Meredith, Stott, Baldwin, Prescot, Spratt, Hunt, Rimmer, Knowles, Barker

 

Corinne

[hathor]

Hi

 

 

 

I'm researching Dixons and have links with Chadwicks and Marshes.

 

I'm looking for the Marsh-Dixon link as I have found both names in the same grave. I have a Marsh birth certificate on order which might provide the answer, but it may be that you know already...

 

From such a comprehensive list of names, looks like you've been busy. Puts my little efforts to shame, certainly.

[marrle]

Hello Corinne.

 

The four names I am interested in from your list are as follows.

 

Forber, Halsall, Twist & Swift.

 

What information do you have on these names, will pm you with my email address if that is easier for you.

 

Regards Margie.

[Greg]

Hi Margie,

My Mother is from St. Helens. Came to the States in 1946 after meeting my dad after the War. She had 4 sisters and two of my Uncles were Halsall's also from St Helens. My one Uncle, Lionel was in the Queens Black Watch Regiment. He was parachuting into Burma? and was shot and killed before hit landed on the ground. He was buried in Burma however his name is listed on the War Memorial by Town Hall in St. Helens. Please write back as my Mother stays with me and she would be happy to try and answer any questions you or anyone else may have.

Regards, Greg Wilkinson

[anglegrind]

Two names of interest on your list. Mary Eccleston married John Rimmer in the late 1830s. Are these two included ?

[chm]

Yes they are but I think we've been in touch before haven't we? Mary was the daughter of John Eccleston & Mary Lacetter, & I think John was the son of Isaac Eccleston & Ann Naylor; my ancestor William was probably John's younger brother.

 

Corinne

[margs]

Hi,

I'm looking for Richard Pilkington, born c.1807 in Aughton. He married Martha (Parr?) and is shown as a carter on the 1851 census. Any info would be appreciated.

Regards.

[Madge]

Was Isaac Eccleston born 1830, son of Samuel Eccleston and Sarah Grimes? If so, Samuel died and Sarah married again to William Cook. They are my great-great-great grandparents

[Kirsty]

..Other surnames I've got limited information about..:

 

..Harrison..

 

Corinne

 

Hi Corinne,

 

Do the Harrisons you have info about come from or live in either Haydock, Parr or Newton-le-Willows (Newton-in-Makerfield)?

 

Regards, Kirsty

[Stiffknee]

I have an Isaac Eccleston appearing as a witness at the marriage of Joseph Birchall to Ann Topping in 1811 at St Mary's Prescot, both of Sutton. If the same age as this couple then born about 1790. That's the earliest record I have of my Birchall line and wondered if this man was merely a friend or was related somewhere. Any Isaac Eccleston that may have associated with the boats and barges perhaps?

[chm]

Hi, I'm looking for Richard Pilkington, born c.1807 in Aughton. He married Martha (Parr?) and is shown as a carter on the 1851 census. Any info would be appreciated.Regards.

Sorry, my earliest Pilkington was born about 1830s.Corinne

Was Isaac Eccleston born 1830, son of Samuel Eccleston and Sarah Grimes? If so, Samuel died and Sarah married again to William Cook. They are my great-great-great grandparents

Yes, Madge, it's the same Isaac Eccleston.  There are some postings on Genforum by another descendant of Sarah & William Cook.Corinne

Hi Corinne,Do the Harrisons you have info about come from or live in either Haydock, Parr or Newton-le-Willows (Newton-in-Makerfield)?Regards, Kirsty

I have a James Harrison born about 1847 in St Helens, who lived in Parr with his wife Ann & children, if they're of interest.Corinne

I have an Isaac Eccleston appearing as a witness at the marriage of Joseph Birchall to Ann Topping in 1811 at St Mary's Prescot, both of Sutton. If the same age as this couple then born about 1790. That's the earliest record I have of my Birchall line and wondered if this man was merely a friend or was related somewhere. Any Isaac Eccleston that may have associated with the boats and barges perhaps?

There were several Isaac Ecclestons, all cousins, born 1790, 1796, and 1800. I would guess only the 1790 one would have been old enough to have been used as a marriage witness. There was also their uncle (also Isaac Eccleston), born about 1767 who it could possibly have been, and his father (also Isaac Eccleston, born perhaps 1740) was still alive so it could even have been him. There was no family relationship by 1811, as far as I am aware, however the surname Birchall turns up four times in my notes on the Eccleston family, in 1872, 1838, 1855 and 1836; in 1855 and 1836 an Eccleston married a Birchall. The other two were Birchalls acting as godparents (1838) and Ecclestons witnessing a Birchall marriage (1872). By contrast, the surname Topping doesn't crop up at all. Relatively few of the marriage witnesses in records I have looked at before 1837 have the surname of the bride or groom, it seems people were less likely to use relatives as witnesses then.The Ecclestons were labourers, coal miners, and engineers, I don't think any of them were associated with boats or barges.Corinne

[Stiffknee]

Hi Corinne,

 

That was a really fascinating post. I have been trying to find the parents/siblings of Joseph Birchall who indeed married Hannah or Ann Topping in 1811 at St Mary's Prescot, and the only clues I have to go are that he may have been born in Speke c1790, (see temporary images) and that the two witnesses at his wedding were Issac Eccleston and Mary Birchall. I've spotted the engineer in Ormskirk I believe, but no obvious connections to the Birchalls. I'd be very interested to know of the marriages between Ecclestons and Birchalls, as I haven't got as far as tracing their female children as the possibilites are overwhelming. I agree that the earlier witnesses don't appear to have been as closely related as was perhaps more common later. Nontheless it's necessary to explore the possibility of some link, though probably unlikely. His son, also Joseph, was Joseph Worrall Birchall, and the next son Charles Martin Birchall. None of his siblings bear a middle name and I did wonder if this was a surname occuring in the mother's family and had been carried down to preserve it. Alas, I have not been able to discover anything beyond that marriage. All input is appreciated.

 

Many thanks,

Steph

[Kirsty]

I have a James Harrison born about 1847 in St Helens, who lived in Parr with his wife Ann & children, if they're of interest.

 

Hi Corinne,

 

The James Harrison you mention is of interest as I have two James Harrisons both born in about 1847/Parr, St. Helens in my tree. Do you know the names of your James Harrisons parents? The details of my James Harrisons are as follows:

 

A. James Harrison son of James Harrison born c. 1825 & Ann ? born c. 1826

B. James Harrison son of Thomas Harrison born c. 1813 & Ann Burrows born c. 1813

 

I don't have a wife or children for James B. so if you think we've got a match I'd be chuffed.

 

Many thanks, Kirsty

[chm]

Hi Corinne, That was a really fascinating post. I have been trying to find the parents/siblings of Joseph Birchall who indeed married Hannah or Ann Topping in 1811 at St Mary's Prescot, and the only clues I have to go are that he may have been born in Speke c1790, (see temporary images) and that the two witnesses at his wedding were Issac Eccleston and Mary Birchall. I've spotted the engineer in Ormskirk I believe, but no obvious connections to the Birchalls. I'd be very interested to know of the marriages between Ecclestons and Birchalls, as I haven't got as far as tracing their female children as the possibilites are overwhelming. I agree that the earlier witnesses don't appear to have been as closely related as was perhaps more common later. Nontheless it's necessary to explore the possibility of some link, though probably unlikely. His son, also Joseph, was Joseph Worrall Birchall, and the next son Charles Martin Birchall. None of his siblings bear a middle name and I did wonder if this was a surname occuring in the mother's family and had been carried down to preserve it. Alas, I have not been able to discover anything beyond that marriage. All input is appreciated.Many thanks,Steph

Hi Steph.Speeke looks like a reasonable reading of the image to me. Have you found any other Birchalls born in Speke in any of the censuses who might be brothers or sisters?The Eccleston-Birchall marriages were:1) Martha Eccleston m. Roger Birchall 22/4/1855, St Thomas Eccleston; a daughter Mary Elizabeth (Roger Birchall, Martha Eccleston) chr 7 Mar 1854 St THomas Eccleston (shoemaker of Anna Greenbank)I have just been to check the full details of this entry from my notes and what I have got is 22 Apr 1855 Roger Birchdale 44 widower cordwainer of Eccleston son of Thomas Birchall cordwainer m. Martha x Eccleston 40 spinster of Eccleston daughter of George Webster labourer, witnesses Edward Boardman, Mary x Geaques [Jacques]. Not sure whether the 'Birchdale' was a copying error on my part or in the register.2) James Eccleston collier bachelor m. Jane Birchall spinster both of this parish 12 Dec 1836 Rainford Chapel witnesses Ellen Sankey, Joseph Naylor. I am slightly unsure about the exact year; I have 1836 in my notes, the index on this website has 1835 but also suddenly jumps from December 1835 to January 1837 with no 1836 entries; it looks from my notes like I didn't actually go through this section of the microfilm myself because it had been indexed, so my 1836 may have been a guess. Good luck finding out more.Corinne

Hi Corinne,The James Harrison you mention is of interest as I have two James Harrisons both born in about 1847/Parr, St. Helens in my tree. Do you know the names of your James Harrisons parents? The details of my James Harrisons are as follows:A. James Harrison son of James Harrison born c. 1825 & Ann ? born c. 1826B. James Harrison son of Thomas Harrison born c. 1813 & Ann Burrows born c. 1813I don't have a wife or children for James B. so if you think we've got a match I'd be chuffed.Many thanks, Kirsty

Hi Kirsty.James Harrison's dad was James Harrison, a collier. The information is from his marriage record:Ann Morris m. 6/5/1867, St Peters Parr to James Harrison; James full age bachelor miner of Parr; Ann full age spinster of Parr; fathers James Harrison miner, John Morris miner; witnessess Edmund Aspinall, Mary HarrisonSo he looks like a possible match for your James A but not James B, but it sounds like you've already got a match for James A? Never mind, I'll copy in the rest of the information I've got about the family & you can decide whether it's of interest of not.I think James died in 1900: death index entry Mar 1900 Prescot 8b 645 and Ann died in 1892 or 1893. They were living in Derby Hill, Parr in 1881, and here is the 1891 entry for them: 1891: 45 Broad Oak Road, Parr James Harrison H M 44 coal miner (employed) b. St Helens Ann wife 44 b. St Helens Ann daur S 17 (not employed) b. St Helens Mary daur 12 scholar b. St H John son 8 b. St H Robert son M 21 coal miner (employed) b. St H Elizabeth daur-in-law M 20 b. St H Arthur son 8m b. ParrFurther details of their children:Robert b. 7 April 1869, chr. 30 May 1869, St Peter's Parr, son of James Harrison miner of Parr & Ann Robert m. 4 Aug 1890, St Helens Parish Church to Elizabeth BaconI couldn't find Robert & Elizabeth & Arthur in 1901.Arthur Harrison b. 5 Jul [or possibly Aug] 1890, chr. 31 Aug 1890, St Peters Parr, parents Robert Harrison miner of Parr & ElizabethJames Harrison b. 8 Jun 1892, chr. 8 Jun 1892, St Peter's Parr, parents Robert Harrison miner of Parr & ElizabethI did find a possible candidate for James in 1901: 1901: 80 Hoghton Rd, Sutton Samuel Rigby H M 37 coal hewer (worker) b. St Helens Martha wife M 34 b. St H [they m. Dec q 1885 Birkenhead Cheshire, Martha nee Harrison] John son S 14 glass bottle wks (worker) b. St H William son 13 sticker at sheeting shed (worker) b. St H Arthur son 10 b. St H James son 9 b. St H Jane daur 6 b. St H Henry son 6m b. St H James Harrison nephew 9 b. St H [perhaps great-nephew?]Annie Harrison b. 12 Jun 1893, chr. 25 Jun 1893, St Peter's Parr, parents Robert Harrison miner of Parr & ElizabethAgain no sign of Annie in 1901.Back to the previous generation:Fanny Harrison b. 5 Apr 1871, chr. 28 May 1871 St Peter's Parr, daughter of James Harrison miner of Parr & AnnNo sign of her in 1901 if single, or of a marriage for her.Ann Harrison b. 15 Sep 1873, chr. 26 Oct 1873 St Peter's Parr, daughter of James Harrison miner of Parr & AnnJames Harrison b. 2 Oct 1875, chr. 28 Nov 1875, St Peter's Parr, son of James Harrison miner of Parr & AnnMary Harrison b. 9 Nov 1878, chr. 24 Nov 1878 St Peter's Parr, daughter of James Harrison miner of Parr and AnneJohn Harrison b. 14 May 1882, chr. 25 Jun 1882 St Peter's Parr, parents James Harrison miner of Parr & AnnePossible 1901 census entry for John: ?1901 39? Appleton St, St Helens Thomas H Maddock H M 37 coal miner hewer (worker) b. Sutton Cheshire Kate wife 37 b. St H William son 6 b. St H Henry son 3 b. St H Ellen (hard to read surname) stepdaur 18 S b. N.K. Us..tt John Richards boarder S 24 coal miner hewer (worker) b. Wigan Thomas Roberts boarder widr 40 coal miner hewer (worker) b. Flintshire n.k. John Harrison boarder S 18 coal miner hewer (worker) b. St HArthur Harrison b. 18 Jan 1887, chr. 27 Feb 1887, St Peter's Parr, parents James Harrison miner of Parr & AnneCorinne

[harrison66]

ECCLESTON

Hi CHM

I have been searching for information about my husbands granmother Mary Josephine Eccleston who married Henry Harrison on 22/10/1919 and they lived in 106 Lyon street. She was born on 1899 and her fathers name was John Eccleston who was a moulder. I know she had a son called James Henry in 1920 but would love to know if she had more children or anything at all about her life.

Thankyou

Harrison66

[Kirsty]

Corinne,

 

Thanks for all your Harrison information. I think it's going to take me some time to go through & unravel .

 

Thought you might like to take a look at a web-site I've been contributing to. It's a Harrison family web-site which concentrates on Harrisons from Newton-le-Willows, Haydock, St. Helens & Parr.

 

http://www.freewebs.com/aspuller/

 

There might be something or somebody which connects with your own tree.

 

Thanks again, Kirsty

[chm]

ECCLESTON

Hi CHM

I have been searching for information about my husbands granmother Mary Josephine Eccleston who married Henry Harrison on 22/10/1919 and they lived in 106 Lyon street. She was born on 1899 and her fathers name was John Eccleston who was a moulder. I know she had a son called James Henry in 1920 but would love to know if she had more children or anything at all about her life.

Thankyou

Harrison66

 

Sorry, I haven't come across her before. I see from freeBMD that she was born in Salford, I take it her family moved to St Helens after 1901 as they aren't in the St Helens census index for 1901.

 

Corinne

[Mark Abbott]

Hello,

 

I'm trying to locate any information on Wilfred Morris MM,( see my post in the History section) who served with the Royal Engineers in WW1 and subsequently served with the Special Constabulary. His brother seved in the 1/5th South Lancashire Regiment.

 

Their father was a stone mason.

 

Any help would be welcome

[Mark Abbott]

Wilfred Morris was the son of John and Eliza Morris of 90 Greenfield Road, St Helens. His brother Harold enlisted with the 1/5th South Lancashire Regiment and received a commission in the Battalion.

 

Mark

[marjar]

hi corine

i am trying to find the family of an uncle who is now deceased. his name was john garner. his father was also john who married a jane molyneaux in 1905. uncle jack (as he was known ) had one brother named peter and two girls born before him had died in infancy.

my uncle lived in parr. he was born in 1909. all the men in the family appear to have been in the mining industry. his father died when john was only a boy. so we have no information on them at all.

can you help

regards marje

[marrle]

To Corrine.

Hope you get this I am interested in what information you have on the following names.

 

Forber and Halsall.

 

Regards Margie.

[busybee]

Hi Corrine

 

I have 'Hunt' and 'Halsall' in my tree, what names do you have in yours?

 

Busybee

[marrle]

Hi Corrine

 

I have 'Hunt' and 'Halsall' in my tree, what names do you have in yours?

 

Busybee

 

 

Hello Busybee,

Who are your Halsall family?

 

Margie.

[chm]

To Corrine.

Hope you get this I am interested in what information you have on the following names.

 

Forber and Halsall.

 

Regards Margie.

 

Hi Margie.

 

I have a George Forber, brass moulder, who married Agnes Garner in Sep q 1888 and had a daughter Margaret in 1889:

 

1891: 19 Ward St, Windle:

George 25 head b. St Helens,

Agnes 26 wife b. St Helens,

Margaret 2 daughter b. St Helens.

 

I also have a Thomas Forber born March qtr 1863 died Sep q 1898 who married Mary Harriet Hunter in 1887 (my connection to her is through

her second husband, so no further information on Thomas, but I have a bit more about their four children Thomas Norman, Mary, Andrew and

William Forber.

 

On the Halsall front, I have a James Halsall who married an Annie Garner in 1918 in Warrington, not much further known. I have a

William Saxon Halsall (1904 - 1987). I have a John Halsall, carter, born about 1859 and married a Mary Highcock 10 Sep 1882. Their children

were John 1883, Robert 1885, Ellen 1887, Thomas 1890, William 1892, Jane 1894, James 1896. They might have had an illegitimate son John

Highcock in 1881 but this might have been another Mary Highcock.

 

I have a Robert Halsall who married Margaret Eccleston nee Jump 28/4/1839; I also have the 1841 census entry for them.

 

If any of these sound like they are of interest let me know and I'll supply what further details (if any) I have on them. But there won't be

much.

 

Corinne

 

Hi Corrine

 

I have 'Hunt' and 'Halsall' in my tree, what names do you have in yours?

 

Busybee

 

Hi Busybee.

 

See my previous posting for Halsall names.

 

I have a James Hunt who married Mary Jane Eccleston 14 Feb 1887, at St Thomas Eccleston. He was born 1863, Appleton St

Widnes Dock Farnworth Lancs, the son of John Hunt & Elizabeth Hill. His wife died in 1898 and he later remarried. They had

Mary Elizabeth Hunt 1888, John Joseph Hunt 1889, Gertrude Emma Hunt 1891, Eva Ellen Hunt 1893, Robert James Hunt 1895,

Ethel May Hunt 1898.

 

I also have a Mary Hunt who married Isaac Eccleston in 1841.

 

Corinne

[marrle]

Hi Margie.

 

I have a George Forber, brass moulder, who married Agnes Garner in Sep q 1888 and had a daughter Margaret in 1889:

 

1891: 19 Ward St, Windle:

George 25 head b. St Helens,

Agnes 26 wife b. St Helens,

Margaret 2 daughter b. St Helens.

 

I also have a Thomas Forber born March qtr 1863 died Sep q 1898 who married Mary Harriet Hunter in 1887 (my connection to her is through

her second husband, so no further information on Thomas, but I have a bit more about their four children Thomas Norman, Mary, Andrew and

William Forber.

 

On the Halsall front, I have a James Halsall who married an Annie Garner in 1918 in Warrington, not much further known. I have a

William Saxon Halsall (1904 - 1987). I have a John Halsall, carter, born about 1859 and married a Mary Highcock 10 Sep 1882. Their children

were John 1883, Robert 1885, Ellen 1887, Thomas 1890, William 1892, Jane 1894, James 1896. They might have had an illegitimate son John

Highcock in 1881 but this might have been another Mary Highcock.

 

I have a Robert Halsall who married Margaret Eccleston nee Jump 28/4/1839; I also have the 1841 census entry for them.

 

If any of these sound like they are of interest let me know and I'll supply what further details (if any) I have on them. But there won't be

much.

 

Corinne

 

Hello Corinne,

Cant find any connection with your Halsall Families.

 

However I do have a George Forber born 1866, which would tie in with your George, parents were George born 1831 who married Mary Owen c1832, do you have a birth cert for your George, my connection would be if we have the right Forber family with John Forber George's brother

Regards Margie.