The Undertaker Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Does anyone have any connections with the following Dixon Family Descendants of James Dixon 1 James Dixon b: 1800 in St Helens . +Elizabeth Williams b: 1803 in St Helens ... 2 Margarett Dixon b: 1821 ... 2 John Dixon b: 1822 in St Helens ... 2 Ann Dixon b: 1832 in St Helens ... 2 Richard Dixon b: 1834 in St Helens .. +Ann Williams b: 1836 in Wigan .. 3 Richard DIXON b: 1861 in St Helens .. 3 Elisabeth DIXON b: 1863 in St Helens .. 3 John DIXON b: 1867 in St Helens .. 3 Sarah A DIXON b: 1869 in St Helens .. 3 Emma DIXON b: 1874 in St Helens .. 3 William J DIXON b: 1875 in St Helens ... +Elizabeth Middlehurst b: 1878 in St Helens .. 4 Charlotte DIXON b: 09 September 1901 .. +Henry DAGNALL b: 08 August 1901 m: 26 July 1930 in St Helens .. 4 Richard DIXON .. 4 William DIXON .. 4 Arthur DIXON .. 4 Frank DIXON .. 4 Jim DIXON .. 4 Fred DIXON .. 3 Charlotte DIXON b: 1878 in St Helens ... 2 Elizabeth Dixon b: 1836 in St Helens .. +George Barton b: 1840 in Haydock ... 2 Sarah Dixon b: 1838 in St Helens ... 2 James Dixon b: 1841 in St Helens ... 2 William Dixon b: 1846 in St Helens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Not sure if I'm reading your enquiry correctly, but I have a Fred Dixon, born 1906, son of John Dixon. Could he be part of the clan you're researching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I forget Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Does anyone have any connections with the following Dixon Family Not at first glance. But I do have a Thomas Dixon who would be born about 1795, but in Liverpool. His mother was Sally. Do you know who James Dixon's (b 1800) mother was? Just a long shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undertaker Posted March 19, 2006 Author Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry to say that I don't have any info on this family before the 1841 Census Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I forget Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Thats OK, I don't have much before 1841 either. if I do find anything that looks promising, I'll let you know. But its not a line I'm actively researching at the moment as I'm struggling to get back to 1841 on some of my other 'St Helens' lines. Cheers Cindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sorry I don't know how to read your original post properly, as I am new to all this. "My" Fred Dixon, b 1906, an iron moulder, was the son of a John Dixon, a labourer, although I do not know in what industry. Fred married Evelyn Bulmer in 1933, giving his address as Phythian Street at the time, and they produced one daughter, Marjorie Joyce, in 1934. He died in 1945. Do you think he is one of "your" Dixons? I haven't done any research on that part of the family yet, but I understand from Fred's daughter that she had loads of Dixon cousins, so his siblings must have been rather more prolific than him. Unfortunately for my research, she lost touch with that side of the family after her father's untimely death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 RE Richard Dixon br 1834 Did he marry a Catherine Whittle? If so their daughter Elizabeth married John Garvey 1878 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undertaker Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 RE Richard Dixon br 1834 Did he marry a Catherine Whittle? If so their daughter Elizabeth married John Garvey 1878 .. I had this Richard as marrying an Ann Williams b1836 from Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 oh sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Actually, slc3333, the Elizabeth Dixon who married John Garvey in 1878 was one of "mine". I'm pretty sure she was Elizabeth Ellen, although I haven't been able to find her birth yet. Her father was Robert Dixon, an iron moulder, who at the 1881 Census was living at 10 Pottery Street, with Elizabeth - a widow already at 22ish - and the grandson (also John Garvey) aged 2 months. I think poor John died in 1878 also, at the tender age of 20, although their son pops up again in the 1901 Census at 46 Eldon Street, having married a widow, Martha Pennington and moved in with her family, the Chadwicks, and produced a daughter, May. I have just ordered various certificates, which are due mid June, which might afford some more clues. It looks like Robert may have married twice, as the 1861 Census shows him with Elizabeth, plus Elizabeth Ellen, their daughter, but by 1871 Census and beyond, his wife is shown as Catherine. I'm hoping the certificates will help clarify. Fun, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Hi I have the Marriage registration of Elizabeth Ellen Garvey to John Garvey Prescot Parish Church Cof E May 6 1878 John Garvey 19 Bac Glassmaker Prescot father Paul Garvey Carter Eliabeth Ellen Dixon 19 spinster Prescot father Robert Dixon Iron Moulder Witnesess were John Eccleston and Margaret Eccleston can send you copy via file in email of it.. John died Oct 1 1878 have no death registration for him Elizabeth Ellen Dixon Br August 24th 1858 Have this for Elizabeths baptism Recorded in St. Thomas Church, Eccleston Elizabeth Ellen Dixon baptised 13 Feb. 1859 daughter of Robert and Catherine Dixon of Eccleston 2nd Baptism for Lizzy when she married JOSEPH FAIRCLOUGH Son of JOHN and CATHERINE FAIRCLOUGH Lowe House [st Marys RC Church] St Helens Lancs England has the following Lowe House M.F. 9 / 75 Baptism November 10th 1882 to July 24th 1894 Fairclogh 69 Collage St Windle CODI HONAKE { ab - NAERCSI CONVERSA } Elizabeth Fairclogh born August 24th 1858 Baptised January 24th 1895 Daughter of Robert & Catherine Dixon By Father Henry Harford ---------------------------------------------------------------- Since there is no mention of Elizabeth Dixon as her mother in her baptism we are wondering if Catherines name was not Elizabeth Catherine and she went by Catherine ? Do not have her birth registration to show her mothers name tho. Robert Dixon did have a sister named Elizabeth br abt 1828 could she be the Elizabeth in the census and Catherine his wife is somewhere else in the census? I had found John their son in the census married that you had ..didn't get his marriage registration to see who his father was tho..to prove out my John Garvey was his father We at first thought that Lizzys son John was not her dead husbands child but now think otherwise going on the ages in the census for him..there was no John Garvey br in 1880 or 1881 so we think its just a wrong thing about age in census especially going on ages in other census's.. the ages don't add up to his further census ages and like I said there is no John Garvey br 1880 or 1881 period.. 1891 census has this for John Garvey living with Robert and Catherine Dixon Jarvey, John abt 1879 St Helens, Lancashire, England Grandson Eccleston Lancashire Also this England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 Recordinfo about John Garbey Name: Garbey, John Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1879 District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 736 Found this also for John's marriage to Mary Garvey, John 1900 June Marriages Prescot Lancashire Pennington, Martha 1900 June Marriages Prescot Lancashire Lizzy, we believe but not proven with birth registation .. had another child ROBERT CHARLES GARVEY in 1885 Prescot ...friend found the info and it had Elizabeth Ellen Garvey down as mother..St Caths I think was where it was found.. England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 Recordinfo about Robert Charles Garvey Name: Robert Charles Garvey Year of Registration: 1885 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 740 He was adopted by her dead husbands cousin Ann Aspinall nee Naylor-Garvey and her husband and taken to USA where he lived till he died ..married late in life and no children.. There is another person also doing this Robert and Catherine Dixon family he comes from son Alfred has Alfreds birth registration where it shows Catherines maiden name as WHITTLE.. Jeff Lloyd email address is mailto:jlloyd@btinternet.com Lizzy Garvey went on to marry a JOSEPH FAIRCLOUGH Son of JOHN and CATHERINE FAIRCLOUGH 22 Dec 1888 Eccleston St. Thomas – Marriage Index thats all I have ...will need to see orig parish records to see who the witnesses were Lowe House baptism from M.F. 9 / 75 found 18 October 2002 and kept to see if anything was of value and it evidently was Joseph Fairclough br February 21st 1891 bap March 1st 1891 Joseph & Elizabeth Ellen Fairclough nee GARVEY Godparent Alice Fairclough 69 Collage St Windle Ann Fairclough br August 24th 1893 bap August 29th 1893 Joseph & Elizabeth Ellen Fairclough nee GARVEY 69 Collage St Windle Godparent Alice Porter the 2nd baptism of Lizzy Garvey nee Dixon was a Catholic one .. Here is hoping that the certificates will prove it all out.. Keep intouch so we can figure this thing out please Sharon SLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Thanks for all the above; what a lot of information to digest! I'm still awaiting the marriage certificate for Robert Dixon and Elizabeth, who I assume is Elizabeth Ellen D's mother. This will clarify the full name of the mother, and help sort out the Catherine Dixon mystery. My instinct favours her being a second wife, but we will see. A further check will come with a look at the birth cert. for Robert's daughter Catherine from 1878, which is on the same order, as it will tell us whether her mother was Catherine or Elizabeth. Son James's certificate from 1861 is also on the way, which, if Catherine was a second wife, will help narrow down when it was that Elizabeth died. This should tie in with Jeff Lloyd's research also. I didn't know Robert had a sister Elizabeth, but I would expect her to be shown as such on the Census, not described as his wife. Similarly, when we consider the second baptism of Lizzie, it may be that Robert & Catherine are shown as her parents, when technically it would be father & step-mother, since for an adult baptism the biology wouldn't be relevant, & Catherine as her father's wife, probably brought her up anyway. Am also awaiting the marriage certificate for John Garvey & Martha Pennington, which will show whether his father was John Garvey. It seems more than likely to me, especially since his grandparents brought him up. Like you, I haven't been able to find a birth cert. for John Garvey (son of Elizabeth Ellen Dixon), so plan to order the one for John Garbey you describe, in case it is a question of a spelling variation which solves the mystery. Hope so. Also, will order the cert. for Robet Charles Garvey, to see if it mentions a father, mainly out of curiosity. I would expect to see the dreaded phrase "not known", as he must have ben illegitimate. An adoption within the family was probably a convenient solution, as Robert & Catherine may have been unwilling to take on a second grandson, under the circumstances. It's all the more interesting as I know of a second within-the-family adoption in the next generation, although this involved a child born within wedlock, whose mother died. My link with Robert Dixon is via his son John, born 1874. If anybody wants info in connection, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Odd isn't it that Elizabeth Ellen Dixons baptism is about 5 months after her birth unless they just didn't get it done sooner isn't it? Catherine is down as the mother in that 1859 baptism also.. Looked on the FBMD website for Elizabeth Dixon death in 1858/59 and didn't find one for Prescot.. would think that if she died in childbirth it would be 1858 and Robert having a new born baby got himself married again asap .. Re John Garbey you describe, in case it is a question of a spelling variation which solves the mystery. Hope so. It proberly is as John Garvey's grandparents Peter and Rosanna Garvey were found in one census as Garbey spelling.. Robert Dixon's siblings and parents taken from the 1841 UK census are below if there were more it does not say so in the 1851 census Ann Dixon abt 1806 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire James Dixon abt 1806 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire Elizabeth Dixon abt 1828 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire James Dixon abt 1830 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire John Dixon abt 1832 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire Robert Dixon abt 1839 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire Thomas Dixon abt 1834 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire William Dixon abt 1823 Lancashire, England Prescot Lancashire Will send you over the marriage registration of John Garvey and Lizzy Dixon Think those various registrations will clear up alot of unanswered questions glad to hear you are getting them..I have some on the GARVEY family if you are interested in any of them if John Garvey br 1879 shows John Garvey as father deceased on it..John's great aunt Alice Garvey was a character..she and her sister Mary Garvey were both my G-g-grandmothers their kids son daughter married each other..big family supprise here when I found that one..aunt almost had a heart attact.. that goodness for those civil registrations papers cause they proved it all out... Bye for now Sharon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jill Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I have 2 Dixons marrying into my main lines. Emma Dixon married Albert Cowley, St Annes, Sutton 1903. Margaret Dixon married Thomas Johnson, St Peters, Parr 1861 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 I found a John Garvey br 1879 in St Helens Cemetery that might be Lizzy Dixon-Garvey- Fairclough's son Deceased detail - John Garvey Deceased detail Surname Garvey Forename John Death date 00 / 00 / 0000 Burial date 08 / 01 / 1945 Location St Helens Cemetery Can't find Martha Garvey tho as the site is acting up on me.. SLC Register Number 88766 Age 66 Years Grave detail Grave reference STHELCEM / 45 / 502 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 I found Martha Garvey and a Hilda Mitchell also buried in the same plot so I would assume that our John Garvey br 1879 died 1945 Deceased detail - Martha Garvey Deceased detail Surname Garvey Forename Martha Death date 00 / 00 / 0000 Burial date 19 / 07 / 1960 Location St Helens Cemetery Register Number 103770 Age 86 Years Grave detail Grave reference STHELCEM / 45 / 502 Deceased detail - Hilda Mitchell Deceased detail Surname Mitchell Forename Hilda Death date 00 / 00 / 0000 Burial date 28 / 07 / 1983 Location St Helens Cemetery Register Number 179861 Age 80 Years Grave detail Grave reference STHELCEM / 45 / 502 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yes, I think this will be the same John Garvey, although I'm trying to curb my instinct to send for every certificate I can identify a reference for, as it's getting expensive! I think this one is Mar 1945 St Helens 8b 857. Martha Garvey is almost certainly his widow, with the death reference Sep 1960 St Helens 10f 366 Hilda Mitchell will be their widowed daughter: birth cert ref Jun 1903 Prescot 8b 818 married Joseph Mitchell ref. Dec 1927 Prescot 8b 1200. I speculate that maybe her husband died during the War, which would account for the lack of an existing grave, so they popped her in with her parents when her own time came. Haven't got around to looking for the husband's death yet. Her sister May (the one who was on the 1901 Census) married Joseph Gee ref Sep 1925 Prescot 8b 1343 I think I may have identified several other children of John Garvey's marriage to the former Martha Chadwick, although without the certificates or baptismal records I can't be sure. The references I have found - while I was looking for someone else - were as follows: Lilian Mar 1912 Prescot 8b 1513 Horace Sep 1913 Prescot 1536 Alfred Jun 1915 Prescot 8b 1581 Albert Sep 1917 Prescot 8b 1208 Maggie Dec 1919 Prescot 1542 All the above are listed as Garvey births, with the mother's maiden name as Chadwick, so it's possible. There also may be others, as I wasn't actually looking for these at the time, so my search wasn't exhaustive. At the same time, I came across a Robert Charles Garvey b ref Jun 1908 Prescot 8b 853 who married Elizabeth Foster ref Dec 1927 Prescot 8b 1170. He's obviously not Lizzie Dixon/Garvey's son, but isn't it intriguing that he has the same two forenames? I wonder if he ties in to this family at all? There was a third Garvey marriage in Prescot in the same quarter, that of Margaret to John Dwyer, ref Dec 1927 Prescot 8b 1255. Could she have been Hilda's sister, maybe even in a double wedding? Have more or less got to the stage where I have to wait for the papers to arrive now, to prove/disprove the theories currently on the table, before pressing on. This is the bit I hate, partly because having looked up the references I want the certificate information NOW, and partly because by the time they do arrive, I will have lost my train of thought, no matter how carefully I try to leave myself notes. Interesting comment on the Garvey grannies: just shows what a good thing travel for the masses became! Once again, thanks for the help & sharing your research. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdings Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Don't know if these belong to anybody else's Dixons, but I have a William Dixon on my side. He was born in Haydock in 1789. His daughter Elizabeth married Ralph Knowles. They are listed on the 1851 census as follows: Peter Dixon, nephew, born Widnes, 1843 William Dixon, father-in-law, born Haydock, 1789 Alice Anne Knowles, daughter, sutton, 1846 Elizabeth Knowles, wife, Haydock, 1822 Margaret Knowles, daughter, sutton, 1850 Ralph Knowles, head, Newton, 1812 Thomas Knowles, son, Parr, 1848 Alice Swift, sister-in-law, Haydock, 1820 Ralph Swift, brother-in -law, Sutton 1822 They were all living in Sutton. Also living as neighbours next door are the following: Robert Dixon, head, 40, Haydock Elizabeth Dixon, wife, 36, Sutton Elizabeth Dixon, daughter, 14, Parr Margaret Dixon, daughter, 8 James Dixon, son, 5 Richard Dixon, son, 3 Michael? Dixon, son, 3 months, John Roberts, brother-in-law, 23, Wales Ellen Roberts, sister-in-law, 23, Rivington Sarah Roberts, niece, 1 month, Sutton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chm Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 The wife of the neighbouring Robert Dixon, Elizabeth, was born a Highcock and so the neighbouring family is in my family tree. I had noticed the family of William Dixon next door to them, and wondered whether Robert might be William's son, since they were living in such close proximity and Robert was also born in Haydock. Corinne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes, I think this will be the same John Garvey, although I'm trying to curb my instinct to send for every certificate I can identify a reference for, as it's getting expensive! I think this one is Mar 1945 St Helens 8b 857. Martha Garvey is almost certainly his widow, with the death reference Sep 1960 St Helens 10f 366 Hilda Mitchell will be their widowed daughter: birth cert ref Jun 1903 Prescot 8b 818 married Joseph Mitchell ref. Dec 1927 Prescot 8b 1200. I speculate that maybe her husband died during the War, which would account for the lack of an existing grave, so they popped her in with her parents when her own time came. Haven't got around to looking for the husband's death yet. Her sister May (the one who was on the 1901 Census) married Joseph Gee ref Sep 1925 Prescot 8b 1343 I think I may have identified several other children of John Garvey's marriage to the former Martha Chadwick, although without the certificates or baptismal records I can't be sure. The references I have found - while I was looking for someone else - were as follows: Lilian Mar 1912 Prescot 8b 1513 Horace Sep 1913 Prescot 1536 Alfred Jun 1915 Prescot 8b 1581 Albert Sep 1917 Prescot 8b 1208 Maggie Dec 1919 Prescot 1542 All the above are listed as Garvey births, with the mother's maiden name as Chadwick, so it's possible. There also may be others, as I wasn't actually looking for these at the time, so my search wasn't exhaustive. At the same time, I came across a Robert Charles Garvey b ref Jun 1908 Prescot 8b 853 who married Elizabeth Foster ref Dec 1927 Prescot 8b 1170. He's obviously not Lizzie Dixon/Garvey's son, but isn't it intriguing that he has the same two forenames? I wonder if he ties in to this family at all? There was a third Garvey marriage in Prescot in the same quarter, that of Margaret to John Dwyer, ref Dec 1927 Prescot 8b 1255. Could she have been Hilda's sister, maybe even in a double wedding? Have more or less got to the stage where I have to wait for the papers to arrive now, to prove/disprove the theories currently on the table, before pressing on. This is the bit I hate, partly because having looked up the references I want the certificate information NOW, and partly because by the time they do arrive, I will have lost my train of thought, no matter how carefully I try to leave myself notes. Interesting comment on the Garvey grannies: just shows what a good thing travel for the masses became! Once again, thanks for the help & sharing your research. Much appreciated. Re Hathors JOHN GARVEY's Children.. Her sister May (the one who was on the 1901 Census) married Joseph Gee ref Sep 1925 Prescot 8b 1343 Found them both in St Helens Cemetery Grave Details - STHELCEM / 65 / 414 Grave Details Location St Helens Cemetery Grave Section 65 Grave Number 414 Purchased Yes Lease Details Lease Type Fixed period Lease First 30 / 12 / 1955 Lease Start Date 30 / 12 / 1955 Lease End Date 29 / 12 / 2055 Lease PD 100 Interments Surname Forename Type Event Date Location Number Gee Joseph B 30/12/1955 St Helens Cemetery 99504 Gee May B 16/09/1981 St Helens Cemetery 178678 I also have GEE surname in my HOLDEN lines.. Catherine Holden married William GEE 1865 Prescot Parish Church Wm was son of John Gee. Catherine was daughter of Wm Holden and Mary Whittle ... no children of marriage were ever found.. interesting how the surnames intertwine into each other isn't it? SLC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes, sometimes I fear for the size of the gene pool! Robert Dixon's Catherine might have been a Whittle, too, don't forget. Oh, the frustration of waiting for the certificates once you've ordered them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Just a little aside on the subject of coincidences/names cropping up again & again: My Dixon ancestors seem to have been unable to tear themselves away from Phythian Street. In 1861 they were at Number 6, then they move. 1891 finds them at Number 25. By 1901 they're in Number 42, only to pop up at Number 29 in 1906. Within a few years they're off to Number 11, where they stayed, I think until the street was demolished. Seems to me for a hundred years or so, you wouldn't have been able to visit the street without some combination of my ancestors carting their belongings up & down the road! I wonder was it a matter of short tenancies, or maybe accommodation tied with their employment, with the boss shifting families around according to who he wanted to place in which house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
private person Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hope those certificates come in soon for you ..frustrating waiting for info insn't it? My Mary Holden nee WHITTLE had parents Joseph and Catherine Whittle so I was wondering about Catherine Dixon nee Whittle ... was she named after her granny? Or was it just a same same thingy? I know there was a son Thomas and a daughter Ellen br to Joseph and Catherine Whittle..also found a John Whittle as witness to Wm Holden and Mary Whittle's marriage in 1835..a son also ? Don't know... know little on the Whittles at this time.. Sharon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hathor Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Even further down the path of coincidence: May Garvey (daughter of John Garvey, who was a grandson of Robert Dixon/Catherine Whittle) married Joseph Gee. One of the witnesses to the Dixon/Whittle marriage was John Gee. Wonder if this ties in with the Holden/Gee/ Whittle combo? I guess even if there are no blood ties involved, it suggests that these families maintained the same social circle down the generations, no doubt dictated by remaining within the same few streets over such a long period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob dixon Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Arthur Dixon above born 1906? Was my grandad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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