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Can anyone help me to help a friend in the USA who has just found out she is the great great grandaughter of Henry Fishwick, who had a butchers shop in Church Street, St Helens in the 1880/90s? She would like some information on the family and what happened to Fishwicks butchers after the death of Henry Fishwick in 1900. I have found the info on census up to 1901, but am lost after this.

Much appreciated, thank you

Mishka

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Mishka

 

Just in case you are still looking for information, I have Elizabeth Fishwick in my family tree.

 

Elizabeth was born 1875 and died 1900. She had a child Maud (1896). Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Fishwick (b 1874 d 1900) and Ann Nickson. 1881 census shows Elizabeth at 38 Church St, Windle, St Helens. Henry's occupation is "butcher" also at 38 Church St. Elizabeth married Joseph William Bates in 1900.

 

Would be very interested to hear how your friend ties into the Fishwick family.

 

Melanie

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Hello,

 

To answer some of your questions. Yes, I wasn't sure about the name of your gt aunt. I have their wedding certificate (Jan 8 1905) but the name was not entirely obvious: thanks for clearing it up. My grandmother (nee Sarah Ann Fishwick) was WP's brother and at one time (when she was young) lived on a farm called Folds Farm near St. H. It no longer exists and appears to have been buried under the East Lancs Rd. WP's daughter was called May Fishwick (my mother's cousin) and she ran the Red Cat at some point and at least one other pub subsequently. They are all related to the 'butcher' Fishwicks but that is a slightly different branch. I hope to make a more or less complete tree soon. I know a bit more about WPF (not much) but may be this isn't the best place to go into detail.

 

In fact I did mean 1785 (actually I think now it was 1784) but I was referring to William Pendlebury after whom presumably WPF was named and not WPF himself. WP died in 1873 after a rather interesting life including being coachman to a very well known Quaker doctor in Liverpool called Dr. Rutter. When he came back to St. H he built a small chapel in Crank which still stands. WP was my grandmother's great grandfather and hence my gt gt gt grandfather.

 

I'm sorry but I know nothing about the Carlisle side of the family except that on her wedding certificate her father was described as Thomas Carlisle (deceased), a licensed victualler and that she lived in North Road St. H at that point.

 

I am interested in any more relevant information that you may have andvery willing to share what I know but I'm not sure what is the best way to do that.

 

David

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Hello David

Have you looked at the St Helens Townships website? I think you might find it interesting!

Rosemarie

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Hi David

I'm really interested to hear all about WP2 and the family.

To elaborate more on the Townships, of which I am a member, other families that I am interested in are Lambs, Johnsons and Merricks.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Rosemarie

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[by the way I may have confused you by not being consistent. I shall try in future always to refer to William Pendlebury (born 1784) as WP and William Pendlebury Fishwick ( born 1872) as WPF.]

 

I am not sure what details I can give you here. As I said WPF was my great uncle and although I met him at least once I was rather young at the time and don't remember him. All the Fishwicks up to that time were rather religious (fromWP downwards) and attended the Primitive Methodist chapel in Westfield Street St. Helens (long since demolished). My grandmother (WPF's sister) had a shop in Westfield street and we used to visit her every other Sunday at least. I also spent the first 8 years of my life going to the Prims Chapel. WPF was married there but I have a feeling that he lapsed at some stage. The 'butcher' side of the Fishwick family seems to have originated with him. My grandmother was about 98 when she died in 1964 so I knew her very well.

 

I am particularly interested in the family names of Pendlebury, Brown, Fishwick and Hall (my grandmother's married name and my mother's maiden name). Although WPF was my great uncle I guess we are not related except by marriage since your connection is with Annice. John Brown, my grandmother's uncle, was at one time the Borough Treasurer of St. Helens. I have a copy of WP's will which is quite interesting. I am also interested in the life of DR. Rutter who was WP's employer in Liverpool. He was a Quaker and an abolitionist and a founder of the Liverpool Medical Institute which still exists. He was also an early shareholder in the Liverpool and Manchester Railway. He died in 1838 and left WP £100 in his will which I guess was quite a large sum in those days ( enough for WP to build a chapel and carry out some other charitable works).

 

I am trying to discover how WP got the job with Dr. Rutter. Dr. R was the brother in law of Henry Fothergill Chorley who was a well known music critic of the time and who collaborated with Sir Arthur Sullivan on some projects including writing the words for 'The Long Day Closes'. HFC lived somewhere near Ashton under-Lyne and certainly knew WP. Maybe WP worked for him at some stage. I would like to find out what the exact connection was because I suspect that HFC recommended WP to Dr. R as his coachman.

 

DavidC

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Hello Rose,

 

Sorry for the delay in replying. No, unfortunately we live in Surrey. I was born in St.Helens (my wife was born in Surrey) and my parents lived there practically all their lives but I came to live down here quite long time ago. It has its benefits from a family history point of view with relatively easy access to London and Kew but of course I don't often get up to St. Helens because apart from one cousin I no longer have relatives living in the north.

 

At the moment I am trying to construct a family tree and when I have got somewhere with it I will try to find some way of letting you see a copy.

 

Until then,

Cheers

 

David

 

Hi David

I would like to ask you some questions about WPF2 off site.

. My friend is going to let me know how on Monday, so watch this space.

Rosemarie

 

PS What's wrong with the buses? If you like me and have attained that age(only just), it won't cost you a penny. See You next MOnday providing you set off on Saturday.

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Does anyone have an Adam Fishwick in their family tree? I have a marriage certificate from 17 September 1872 for Henry Fishwick (aged 23) and Ann Nickson and it shows the groom's father as Adam Fishwick, farmer, deceased, but I cannot find any record for him. The marriage was at Holy Cross Church, St Helens.

 

Thanks

Melanie

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Yes Adam is listed as my g/ g/ father Henry as father ! Henry was given Fishwick at birth as his mother wasn’t married to Adam he was married to someone else !my g/grand/father Henry married Ann Nickson there isn’t much information about Adam He was a butcher in windle & then he is listed 1891 in George St.St Helens 

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