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    NE Scotland, hubby's family all from St Helens
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  1. LOL! Thanks, next time I decide to research my Scottish ancestors I'll make a note to check it out! (I now live in Scotland, but still some distance away from Edinburgh! But nearer to there than Lancashire). I was told by a member of the Royal Lancastrian Pottery Society (who came specially to view the ceramics displayed at my work) that there categorically no link with the glass Pilkingtons, but it does seem strange to give it the same name if there is no connection. (or at least you'd think they would give it something to indicate a different family). Sounds like a book that should be in St Helens, or at least a copy of.. I'll take a note and keep a look out for it.
  2. Hello, Trying to get back into things after several years away.. Just a general question about Pilkingtons pottery/ceramics I had (mistakenly) thought they were part of the Glass company, but was told that it was another family and company altogether. In which case how did it get the Pilkingtons name? On wikipaedia it has them based near Manchester and that a couple of Pilkington Brothers started it, was this the case and was the name just a coincidence? I have done a quick bit of googling, but can't find anything convincing. It's not directly to do with my family history research, but I'd like to be able to give out the correct information when I'm asked (to do with some pottery displayed at work, but I'm no-where near Lancashire, so can't reach libraries etc). Its the only bit of Lancashire connection I have to talk about on my tours, so I'd like to get it right! Thanks. Cindy ( I know this is about Lancashire history in general, but the history forum says St Helens, so I hope this is the correct place, thanks)
  3. Hello Julius Welcome to St Helen's connect, if it can be found, I'm sure someone on here will be able to help or point you in the right direction. Unfortunately finding Irish ancestors is very tricky. Keep looking at all the info you can find in England in the hope you can get an area of Ireland to narrow your search in. But frankly don't expect too much. Far too many records have been destroyed in Ireland. I have tended to lump all the Irish ancestors I have together as the 'Irish brick wall' and whilst I wait for more stuff to go online I keep searching for as much info as I can about them here. With that in mind I would concentrate on what you do know, maybe get more certificates, etc, maybe follow some of the children forward in time on the census, just in case. Maybe you might get more about the 'Alkali works' if you start that as a separate thread on here, as I'm sure the local experts will have a better idea which factory/ies it might be. You would certainly find out more about location, conditions etc. I do remember about some chemical works in St Helens where you can see on the maps that the houses were abandoned due to the corrosive affect of the chemicals in the air. (Victorian times) My husband went on a course and the St Helens works were used as historic examples of Health and Safety issues! Good luck Cindy oh (sorry can't find edit button) just had a thought, I would also post on the Name Interests board 'Rourke family' and put a summary of what you do know on there, addresses, names etc) again this will help as people researching the same name might post and again, some of the regulars might dig up more info for you. I look forward to seeing what comes up. :-) (durrrr! that's how it works! sorry, lol!)
  4. has just completed my first day solo tour guiding round a historic house in Scotland. Please be nice to guides! They are not the font of all knowledge, try the guide book!! Big thank you to the first large group who clapped me :-)

    1. I forget

      I forget

      Thank you :-)

    2. RATTY


      Well done! nice that you enjoy your job

  5. Thanks Ratty, will check on both in that case. :-)
  6. Hi again Phyll, I have the 1851 census entry, they are all living at 2 Garden St Eccleston Jane Dixon died age 77 of a heart condition. Thomas Dixon died age 58 in Woking Prison of Natural causes: 'Pneumonia' and something that looks like 'St Vitus dance?' (I can't zoom in at the moment, so may have that wrong) There was an inquest held on 3rd Feb 1872 in Surrey. I have census entries going forward, but nothing in 1861, but then I hadn't looked in Ashcroft Rd (as on the newspaper article) or in Kent etc in case they were down near the prison or at court, etc. I think that's it. I've sent you a pm, but my connection is very slow in rural scotland and I'm not sure it went. If you haven't got it, send me a blank one I'll try and reply. thanks again, Cindy
  7. Hi Tessmop, glad to hear you're finding this as interesting as I am :-) yes I've been wondering that too, I bet it was more hidden than it is now, much more difficult for a woman to leave, especially with her children. Phyll, thanks for that, I did have a basic transcription from the Prescot watch and clock museum, but they didn't say the address and I'd not been able to find it on Ancestry (now I know why!) , I don't get access to Ancestry at the libraries in Scotland (just discounted vouchers for Scotland's people website), so I would appreciate it. I'll pm you. :-) Moses being in Gillingham is even more frustrating for me as I've been to the records library in Chatham a few times (I assume they might well have had any prison records that remain) ah well, it's all about timing! I'll come back with later more info on the family (census mainly) so that you know as much as we do. Thanks Cindy :-)
  8. Thank you everyone for your comments and help. Windled: thank you so much for the newspaper report, I was hoping there would be something more. I'll send a copy to the Australian researcher who found where he was. :-) Yes, horrible indeed.. I'm so glad she survived and he never got out of prison. I'm amazed that such a determined effort to kill her and showing no remorse didn't lead to him being hung. :-O I feel after such a horrible tale and as it seems he was a nasty man all round, I should give you all what I know of Jane.. she survives and lives with her children, moving in with her daughter Ann Jane in 1881. (by this time Ann Jane has married Henry Taylor and has her own family). They are living in Glade Hill, Parr and Jane Dixon is '65' and a widow. I don't have her death certificate, but at least she seems to have survived despite the horrific sounding injuries, to a reasonable age, especially for the times. How sad that it took the attempted murder before she could 'escape' and live a better life without Thomas. If anymore comes up, let me know. I dread to think how Moses ended up, but at least it seems the rest of the family were ok. Just shows that 'all life (and death) is here' when it comes to digging up the past.. which is why it's so fascinating. Thanks again, Cindy :-)
  9. Thank you, much appreciated :-) I'll have to add it to my long list of stuff for the time I do get a trip.. Frustratingly Thomas Dixon was in prison in Surrey and I did live in Kent until recently, so I could have at least travelled relatively easily to Surrey County records, (If I had known in time!) not any more :-( Oh and the 'Scottish lines' I'm researching are not anywhere near where we are now living, typical!! At least I know it's Liverpool Assizes so that's a start. Cheers
  10. Maybe they should consider doing it like the Scottish Government site where you only need to get paper copies of certificates for the last 100 years and any you want earlier than that date is done online with the page from the registrars books scanned. It costs a fraction of the paper costs (last time I did it it was approx £1.50 it's probably more now, but still..) and those 27 people could be employed by scanning the books. But of course that would be far too simple a solution... Maybe now they know how much of their profits are from us Genealogists and they ought to listen to us! .. sigh!
  11. Thank you, yes please! The Australian researcher has sent me the Ancestry page too, it's rather pale, but I made out the wording the same as you, which is good. Any more info would be good, it is rather an exciting find and long enough ago for it to be interesting and not upsetting for any living rellies. Does anyone know what the 'Third Court' is? Would it be the County court for Lancashire? Cheers
  12. Hello again, Not particularly researching myself at the moment (long story, moved to Scotland is short version), but was contacted by a fellow Taylor/Dixon researcher who is based in Australia. She has followed my research on here and has continued on my 'brick wall' of Thomas DIXON and Jane HASLEDEN. Basically I couldn't find them in the 1861 census, before this date they were married and living in Garden Street, but by 1871 Jane was a widow and living in Critchley Buildings in Parr. Their youngest child was born in the Hills Brow area in 1861 and there is no mention of Thomas being deceased at this point. I couldn't find any convincing death certificates for Thomas in Lancashire any time between 1861 to 1871. I was thinking I had missed something, maybe he had run off and she wasn't widowed or something. The Australian researcher found a Thomas Dixon who was also a watchmaker who died in Woking Invalid Convict Prison Knaphill Surrey. Seemed very odd, but she continued to look into it, seems not only is it 'our' Thomas Dixon, but it was for the attempted murder of his wife!!! She found an article extract as follows: . The Lancashire Gazette Saturday August 24 1861 Attempted Murder at Parr At the Third court Thomas Dixon was charged with attempting to murder his wife at Parr. he was found guilty and sentenced to penal servitude for life. Moses Dixon son of the named prisoner pleaded guilty to the charge of stealing certain wearing apparel at Eccleston in May last he was sentenced to twelve months hard labour. I would love to know if there is any way we can find out more about this, why did he do it? Can anyone who is going to the County record office have a look for us? Do they have court records there? I presume he would have been tried in Lancashire. Any comments or pointers about where to look next would be welcome. Thanks, Cindy
  13. Sorry, only just seen your reply. No, not obviously the line I'm looking for, but thanks. Sometimes these turn out to be siblings, so wll keep info. :-)
  14. It's always a great disappointment when you buy a certificate only to get an area like 'Eccleston' as an address. It has happened to me frequently. But at least it gives you an area to search the census and you might get a better address on another certificate. There are some odd ones, like 'near Railway junction' which I thought meant he died near the railway! (literally, like a tramp or something) until I asked on here and found out it referred to the houses near the junction. But you can get other information out of the birth certificate.. as well as the mother and (hopefully!) the father's name, you might also be lucky and find another relative under 'informant'. And even if it's just the father who is the informant, at least you know he was around. Though, yes, sometimes you feel that you've paid alot for finding out only a few words of new information. It can be worth trying the birth of a sibling.. bit of pot luck really. Must admit where I've got good consistent information on the census I haven't exactly been in a hurry to get the birth certificates. does make for some excitement when you do get a full address though. Cindy
  15. Pennington/Pinnington are in my husband's family. No Pullar or Johnsons though. Thomas Pennington married Margaret Wilcock then Margaret Lovely. The second marriage is the one I'm interested in. I'm not 100% sure about Thomas's birth, I think he was born to a George Pinnington and Margaret Fairclough in 1856. There are rather alot of Penningtons in Lancashire though, so not as easy to find Thomas's birth as I was hoping. Cindy
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