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  1. Many years before the new tip was started in the 60's on the right hand side of the pathway, I believe that an older tip existed earlier in the century on the left hand side, on the other side of the railway. When we were young we would walk about 3 feet down the steep embankment alongside the Brook and dig in sideways to find old bottles from Victorian and Edwardian Times, the ones with the marble in the top to seal them.
  2. The part of the Bonk closest to Fleet Lane and up to the brook was the council tip in the early 60's for a number of years, so that will need a bit of decontamination before building work can get started. In the early 60s when I was a nipper, the men used to gather on the other side of the brook on Sunday afternoons, gaming, which seemed to be guessing heads or tales when two coins were flipped into the air. I remember the calls when they'd shout "heads a dollar" or "tails a dollar, which was five shillings. I believe the police regularly raided the meetings, without being spotted approaching by the lookouts, and charged some with illegal gaming. Closer to the Sutton road section were the allotments or plots as they were called and in those days I believe the ground rents were paid to Pilkington's, who obviously owned the land then. I spent many happy hours on the Bonk in my early years, before ROCLA moved on there and sectioned a large part of it off.
  3. As an engineer many moons ago, the particular areas of work were called "shops" i.e. fitting shop, welding shop, turning shop, etc. Mistakes were referred to as clangers or some one dropping a bollock. When something didn't quite fit together, it was bug's widger away. When someone dropped a " clanger" and something didn't fit by a fairly large margin, it was referred to as fitting "like a turd in a bucket".
  4. "CANT BELIEVE ITS NOT A CIGARETTE" Sounds like a rare treat to look forward to, can't wait for that one to hit the shops.
  5. The factory was open during these years and even earlier I understand. During the war it was known as the Biscuit works to the locals and to the women who worked there, due to the fact that production changed to making biscuits for human consumption to aid the war effort. My mother, along with many young St Helens women worked there during that time and it was always known as the biscuit works to that generation, even when it reverted to manufacturing dog foods in subsequent years the name stuck.
  6. Judging by the original contents of much of this litter, i.e. expensive coffee from the "in vogue" coffee houses, fast food and takeaways, cigarettes etc, plus the fact that much of it is left at night, when the offenders have left the pubs and clubs and been paying the associated prices for entrance and drinks all night and having to take taxis home afterwards, then I'd suggest that whoever blamed austerity for the amount of litter, needs to rethink that theory. I personally would take the opposite view.
  7. I live just around the corner, in Southport, from where Albert Pierrepoint lived for a time. I'm led to believe, from information gathered from someone who has lived in the surrounding area all of his long life, that Pierrepoint and his wife moved to Much Hoole, about 8 miles away from here, where he had interests in a local Public House called the Rose and Crown, which is on the main road between Southport and Preston. Not sure how accurate the information is, it is just anecdotal, but if it is accurate, then he could have been cremated or interred somewhere outside of Southport. His final resting place would however have been kept secret for obvious reasons.
  8. On the subject of pub closures, the White House, [formally the Imperial, before I was exiled from St Helens] in Sutton road was featured on the programme "Fake Britain" this morning, concerning the landlord selling fake spirits and being jailed for the offence. The local trading standards officer who dealt with the case said that she thought that it would prove to be one of the largest, if not THE largest, seizure of counterfeit spirits, from a public house, in this country.
  9. Powells engineers in Jackson St, next to Middlehursts, was a long established company, making baling presses and conveyors, first for the agricultural industry then later for the waste paper recycling industry.
  10. The Evening Post and Chronicle was popular in the area around that time, probably more so than the Liverpool Echo, may be worth a look if you haven't already.
  11. Ronnie Davies did have a butchers shop in Sutton Rd, his wife, whose name I can't remember, worked in the shop. It was the first building after Lancots lane, just around the corner from the Welsh Chapel. My particular memory of the place is the large mural which covered the whole of the wall behind the counter, showing a field with cows and sheep running around. I used to look at that for ages while waiting for the gossip to end and my turn to be served to come around.
  12. The original thread was about recollections of Cowley horror stories and for me it was a monthly occurrence when "Fred" Wright stood on stage during assembly and read out the effort letters for that month. The best I always hoped for was that my name wasn't mentioned at all, which meant I'd done enough to warrant a "M" which kept me out of trouble for another month. I always liked to do just enough to keep trouble at bay.
  13. Spot on DJGAZZA, it was williams. The French teacher referred to by Familyman could have been one of the French students who used to appear from time to time. [ That's a French student, not a student of French] Who used to assist the regular Masters in the lessons. One who I remember, used to sometimes join us in Cross Country and quite often used to stop and light up a Gauloise, he wouldn't share it though. If Fred Wright had known that , he would probably have been made to copy out one of his leaflets about the dangers of smoking. Anyone else remember "Smiler", Mr Rowden who took Physics. He could be so angry he'd be red in the face but he still kept smiling.
  14. jms

    Dance Halls

    Interesting reading about the old clubs and dance halls which used to exist. Although most were before my time, an elderly relative, still living in St Helens reminisces quite often about the co-op dance hall. [ pronounced kwarp} She often mentions a dance band which played there but cannot remember the name of it. She tells me that the person who she believes led the group played the Hawaiian guitar and thinks his name may have been Noel. I noticed in an earlier reply that someone mentioned a group which played elsewhere which was also led by a Hawaiian guitar player although that particular man was disabled and therefore obviously a different band. Does anyone have any recollections of this band who played the co-op and could give any information. Not even sure when it was but should imagine it would probably have been the early 50's.
  15. Some of the names I remember from the 60's who haven't had a mention yet. Apart from the most famous, "Walter" Wright and "Flash" Clifton who have been mentioned there was, "Harry Fag" who taught French, real name Mr Siggers, whose famous mantra at the time was, " Homework must be done in homework books" A guy by the name of Naish, Ned to his pupils who, like Flash, taught Latin. Mr Wilcox who took woodwork and every year he made the same running joke with the Thirds about eating his hat if no one had been injured by a chisel during the first year. He predictably produced a cake at the end of the year with the words "my hat" iced onto it. The old jokes are always the best aren't they? Ray French was there at the time, for some reason, could have been to do with his size, he was usually referred to just as Mr French. "Don" Laing- English. A guy called Mr Tavlin who took maths and another teacher, whose name escapes me, who took History and always started his sentences in a normal voice but seemed to shout the last few words. Happy days huh?
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