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  1. Well although Knobstick Hall seems to have still been standing c1911 according to posted recollections It's not visible on aerial pictures c 1923 around Ghylbank farm where it was located The farm is still there at the time it was run by the sister of a Copper industrialist But no trace of the elusive hall#
  2. The Building at the Corner of Lacey Street and Thatto Heath Rd on the Dam side of Thatto Heath Rd was a free library and pictures exist of it as such It was a police station during the 50s complete with lamp in the dixon of dock green manner it later became a council tax office The library in the Park adjacent to the Railway wall was always a library
  3. Certainly not the same place One still exists the other swallowed by a clay hole and subsequently a nature trail as DicKy D says access yo Hall was from Hall lane now Elm road and Green Gates now Dorothy St off Elephant Lane The building in the Sutton article is inside Ravenhead works
  4. Well the White Raven axle Arrangement was invented by Adams so it was just really applied rather than invented.It actually proved unsuitable later and the London and North Western rebuilt White Raven as a standard tender Engine still called Raven but Blacberry Black Well the White Raven axle Arrangement was invented by Adams so it was just really applied rather than invented.It actually proved unsuitable later and the London and North Western rebuilt White Raven as a standard tender Engine still called Raven but Blacberry Black
  5. Was Short street changed to Bewsey Street? There was no 146 in St John Street there weren't that many houses must be somewhere else
  6. ,Mooney's glassworks near shaw street WILLIAM BAGLEY William Bagley first entered the glass industry in 1850 when at the age of eight he began work at Pilkington Bros Ltd of St Helens. As a young man he moved to Castleford where he became active in union affairs and served as the Central secretary of the Glass Bottle Makers of Yorkshire United Trade Protection Society during the 1860's. In 1869 he became manager at the Yorkshire Glass Bottle Company in Ferrybridge until 1871 when, in partnership with his cousin John, he formed Bagley, Wild and Company in Knottingley. GREGG'S (HOPE) GLASSWORKS In 1874 a partnership of Isaac Burdin, George Popplewell, G. W. Barton and T. Bilsborough purchased an area of land adjacent to the Knottingley-Goole canal and commenced production of flint bottles of various hues. In 1875 the financial strain of establishing the business led to Popplewell selling his interest to Isaac Burdin and by January 1876 the partnership had sold the concern to Andrew Mooney. Mooney came from Pontefract and continued to run the business for some 17 years. During this time he had to endure many financial difficulties and in 1880 in a desperate attempt to ensure company stability he wagered all his assets on the St. Ledger runner 'Robert The Devil'. Luckily for him the horse won and he was able to continue in business until 1893 when he sold the firm, then known as Hope Glassworks, to Samuel Addingley, a Pontefract liquorice producer. Seven years later the business was sold to the partnership of Peter Gilston, J. W. Chadwick and Jabez Gregg. Peter Gilston dissolved his Knottingley partnership in 1902 and with the death of Chadwick in 1903 the business was eventually established as Gregg and Company in 1905. BURDIN BROS. GLASSWORKS Isaac Burdins withdrawal from the Round House partnership in 1876 led to the establishment of Burdin Bros in 1887 on a site formed by the junction of Headland Lane and the Wakefield-Goole railway line. It produced mainly huge acid containers known as carboys and also small flint bottles. JACKSON'S GLASSWORKS Adjacent to the site of Burdin's glassworks, a five-man partnership established a glassworks in 1893. The partnership consisted of two brothers, John and Tom Jackson, along with Victor Wild, and brothers Tom and William Allen. Victor Wild was the son of John Wild who helped to form Bagley Wild and Company in 1871. All these men had learned their trade at the Bagley works in Knottingley but Within a few short months the two Allen brothers had withdrawn from the business and Victor Wild would retire at the end of the first year. The Jackson brothers however, continued trading and eventually made a great success of the business
  7. The early maps show The Elephant and Castle inn in Elephant Lane this is probably the reason for the name The reference to St Anne's Well is less certain as it is quite a way from Elephant Lane
  8. Hi Louise Some of my ancestors seem to have married in various places not all churches The male side are Catholic however that also didn't mean they were always married in catholic churches.It seems to be very haphazard around that period People seem to have married where they could.They may have put their marriages right when possible.They also may have changed religion and changed back.Very difficult to follow
  9. That would be nice Newbie I've not been on this thread for a while so my apologies for this delayed reply if you'd like to contact me my email is vincent.swift7@gmail.com
  10. I'm Vincent Swift the Lionel who had the Bakery is my Grandad's brother His Father My Gt Grandad was also called Lionel and their first shop was on the corner of Lord and College Streets.My Great Grandad's father was at one time the farmer of Big Lea Green Farm which was excavated before becoming a Somerfield Warehouse.The Shop in Westfield Street was run by Annie Swift and she was one of the first women licenced to drive. I've never heard of a shop in Widnes but if anyone has any details I'd like to hear them.Other relatives had shops in Corporation St now the newsagent at the end then a ladies clothes shop and a fish shop in Duke St near the Capitolcinema Great to read all your memories
  11. i am a member of the Swift family and in answer to the original post i can tell you that I've never heard of a bakehouse in Widnes you are correct about Swift Street it was the site of the bakery with an early shop opposite on the corner of Lord St and College St you are also correct about the bakery moving to what became the Reporter office in College St.The shop at the bottom of Westfield Steet was both a grocer and off licence and run by my Aunt Annie and her husband.
  12. Well this is typical of St Helens over the years no taste and no thought of conserving much its probably the word conserve sounds too much like conservative for what's been a labour council for most of the time Anywhere else they make the most of heritage not here though St Helens and Runcorn Gap first Railway over a Railway in the world gone Rainhill trials etc what's there? pathetic Vulcan Foundary where people like young Daniel Gooch stood with his reference from Geo Stephenson gone
  13. i think the word is Convent for nuns
  14. My next door neighbour's father used to drive the bellerophon at Evans
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