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  1. I know of 12 children of John James and Louisa LIGHTFOOT; Edith Elsie 1887 - 1931 Amy Alice Adelaide 1889 - 1956 Maud Mildred 1891 - Harold Herbert 1892 - 1956 Gladys Gertrude 1894 - Esma Hilda 1897 - 1931 Claude Cyril 1899 - 1957 Jack Miles 1901 - Horace C A 1904 - Clifford Eric 1906 - 1962 Louisa Alma 1909 - 1918 Constance I 1914 -
  2. Yes - I've got the family on the 1891 census living at 29 Sutton's Lane, Widnes - occupation = public house manager. I don't know which pub though?
  3. Very busy indeed (and that's not all of their children - 11 in total and all survived).
  4. Thanks for your reply Big Jeff Leo, Do you know when the archives reopen and the title/author of the book? Many thanks, Kirsty
  5. Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has any information relating to the Engine Inn, Newton Road, Parr, St. Helens. I'm interested in the history of the pub and what it would have been like around 1911. I'm looking at the 1911 census when John James LIGHTFOOT was landlord. Any info on this LIGHTFOOT family would also be interesting. Many thanks for reading
  6. Hi Ned, I don't think this is one of mine. I have an Edward BLACK born c. 1866 and I don't know when he died. But his parents were Thomas BLACK and Ellen nee HOWARD. I don't think I have anyone else who is looking like a fit. Thanks so much for your post though. Best Wishes, Kirsty
  7. I'm from Newton-le-Willows which boarders Haydock. A local person wouldn't confuse Prescot and Haydock. They're really quite separate. If Haydock "belongs" to a larger town (if you know what I mean), then that larger town would be St. Helens and never Prescot. I know we can all present examples of where a persons location of birth varies (even when we are 100% certain we are looking at the same person). However, from the very first example (baptism record) to the very final example (burial record) and everything in-between (census records and children's baptism records) Joseph's birth place and residence remains the same = Haydock. Never any variation. It just feels really "right" in this respect. The total consistency of birth place and place of residence just rings true (to me anyway - lol). Also, Thomas TWISS and Sarah nee KNOWLES appear to have been from Haydock too. And interestingly, I was going over my TWISS / TWIST notes when I realised Thomas TWISS b. 1753 was the son of another Thomas TWISS who was living in Haydock at the time of his 1740 marriage. So that's a really long (at least three generation, including Joseph and his father and grandfather) connection with / residence in Haydock. Here is the 1740 marriage I was referring too; 15/05/1740 St. Luke, Lowton, Lancs Thomas TWISS and Mary BAILY both of Haddock and in this parish by Pub: and then there is another line which is difficult to read and I'm not 100% certain whether is belongs to the above marriage or not but it reads something like as follows; Settled to this place and then what looks like a signature. NOTE: Haddock in an old spelling of Haydock. Lainey, I've really enjoyed this thread. It's got me re-examining my tree and really thinking about why I've drawn the conclusions I've come to. Which is a very good thing - lol. Bye for now, Kirsty
  8. I see what you mean. Hmmm. This is a tricky one. The burial you found could be for either Joseph or an entirely different Joseph. If only that burial had contained just a little more information - frustrating or what. Not wanting to throw fuel on this fire but.. The Joseph who is the son of James and Mary is a slightly better fit date wise. On the 2nd August 1866 burial record for Joseph it records he died at the age of 77. Joseph son of Thomas and Sarah would actually have only been 76.. But Joseph son of James and Mary would have been bang on the money at age 77. Also, Joseph's eldest son was James (the eldest son was often but not always named after the paternal grandfather). However, the Joseph son of James and Mary was born in Prescot (going off the baptism record) And the Joseph son of Thomas and Sarah was born in Haydock (going off the baptism record and then backed up by the 51/61 censuses). This isn't crystal clear but the Haydock bit swings it for me. Also, I know Joseph changes his occupation but for the most part he seems to have been employed at the colliery (even the basket making could have related to the colliery). Thomas was employed in the colliery and it looks like son followed in fathers occupational footsteps.. Does that help (or just make things muddier - lol), Kirsty
  9. GeoffB = Thanks for the information on Sarah Elizabeth. Until today, I hadn't added her to my tree. Kirsty
  10. Do you have Joseph on the 41/51/61 censuses? The combined information of the censuses should give you an aprox. birth year and birth location. Do you have Joseph's burial record? The burial record should give you age at death, which in turn should help with year of birth. Joseph had a daughter named Sarah and a son named Thomas, which although not conclusive, helps tie Thomas and Sarah TWISS/TWIST to Joseph. All of the above plus the 1789 baptism should tie together to give you a firm connection between Thomas & Sarah and Joseph. Also, if Thomas & Sarah aren't Joseph's parents, then who is? If you've eliminated everyone else and who remains matches the censuses, burial record and naming patterns then it looks like you've got a winner to me. Hope that helps, Kirsty
  11. A very good morning and a big thank you to Phyll, GeoffB, jvy20 and Ned, Apologies for my delay in replying. Ned = re. was Agnes BLACK R.C. or C of E? If she is a part of my BLACK family then I'd say C of E. I'm not 100% sure she is part of my family but the name is very suggestive. "Agnes" was a family name within the BLACK family and not very common at the time. GeoffB = I'm sorry I don't have any further information with regards to this death/burial or who specifically the death/burial relates to. I believe this Agnes BLACK is a member of my BLACK family but where exactly she fits in, I don't know - that's why this death reg. and the apparent absence of a burial is so very tantalising. I really want to work out who exactly this Agnes BLACK was and the burial seemed like a good place to work backwards from. The 1839 baptism of an Agnes BLACK is my Agnes but not the same one who dies in 1859. The 1839 Agnes BLACK married James HUNT in 1860 and then died in 1887. Edward BLACK (1802 - 1877) who married Ann HEWITT (1815 - 1877) are my direct ancestors. I currently have the following children for Edward and Ann BLACK; Agnes (1839 - 1887) John (1840 - 1842) Dinah (1843 - 1909) - Dinah ROSCOE nee BLACK is my direct ancestor Thomas (1844 - ?) William (1847 - 1918) Mary (1849 - 1850) Phyll = Thanks for all the information you posted. I'm now thinking I should have included more background information with my original post - apologies. Note to self - detail, detail, detail !!! And on the detail front.. I was wondering if the Agnes who died in 1859 could have been a granddaughter of Edward and Ann BLACK (a granddaughter I don't know of). Or could she have been a relative of Edward BLACK (a niece or a cousin for example). Or, and this is probably stretching things, but.. Edward's mother was named Agnes BLACK nee PARTRIDGE - she was born in Grasmere, Westmorland in 1771 - I don't have a death for her. Could she have been living with her son in Prescot when she died? I know this is stretching it because she would have had to have been around 88 when she died, which would have been quite unusual for the time. Still puzzled by this death reg. but it just feels so like it belongs to my BLACK family - call it a hunch. I'd really love to work out who she was. Many thanks for any and all help. Kirsty
  12. Hi, Wondering if anyone can help me with a 1859 Prescot death/burial? I've found the following death registration; Agnes BLACK 1859 July/August/September Quarter Prescot I'd love to be able to find a burial for the above death reg. but haven't had any luck. Can anyone offer a burial for Agnes? Many thanks, Kirsty
  13. Happy New Year Lainey, Just checked my tree for Thomas TWISS / TWIST and Sarah nee KNOWLES and found the following; Marriage - Winwick, St. Oswald - 11/02/1776 Thomas (x) Twiss of this parish and Sarah (x) Knowles of this parish. Married by banns. Witnessed by Robert Cross and Joseph Hawworth. I have 11 children for Thomas and Sarah. Their 7th child is; Baptism - St. Helens Chapel B. 25/10/1789 Bapt. 08/11/1789 Joseph son of Thomas Twist Hope this helps. Kirsty
  14. Just wanted to say thank you to both Underdog and Philip Hewitt. I'm keeping on searching, Kirsty
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