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  1. Amazing to see people still have so much interest in the caverns, I might call back down myself soon before the last of the warm weather.
  2. Nothing like a clear explaination eh ?
  3. How the **** did you manage to post pics ?
  4. Clearly talk of the caverns IS more important than the actual place, as not a single person passed the place for the entire time that I was there. If anyone has any other suggestions, other than through a computer, how these maps could be passed around then feel free CM
  5. TRUE, but if "Crankschosenfew" is a naughty boy with an axe (assuming you are a boy), then CrankCaverns are a BAD place to be. I very much doubt that this person is a Mad axe murderer though.It depends on weather people actually want the maps and explore the place themselves, or just talk about it. Not everything can be brought to the screen in front of you.Only when you have seen the entire place for your self will you realise how amazing it is, and satisfy your curiousity.CMI also find it reassuring that you like cats.
  6. Crankschosenfew, Wednesday 11th July (tomorrow) ok ? I'll be there from around 11AM Send me a txt or phone me on 07864187269 if you can or can't make it as I won't have access to a computer for a day or two now. CM
  7. Ok "Crankschosenfew" I will be there this Sunday from around 12pm, I'll bring maps and photos
  8. Now, please tell me that you're not the same person that plastered the cavern walls with the words "crankschosenfew" some time ago.
  9. After weeks of trying to get access to a computer, i've tried again to put these photos and maps on here by following the instructions from the link and still I find the same message telling me I need a website. I give up trying this way, but if anyone wants copies of maps or photos or wants to have a go at puting them on here themselves then thats not a problem. I did manage to partly clear the blockage around the tunnel which apparently leads to the "Church Cavern", but it appears there may still be another fairly large entrance way to this point from somewhere other than the caverns. Once I got around 30ft past the blockage, there was a large Iron gate which appears to have been ripped off the cavern wall in this area. This gate is too heavy for the average person to lift, without even thinking about how they got it down there. This area is fairly new to me as i've only seen it on the map before, so I went maybe another 30ft past the gate then turned back. The Church is apparently around another 50-100 feet in from here and the original map states that ropes are needed to get any further, so after considering my brothers suggestion to "jump" for 2 seconds i decided against it. I am planning, one day soon when the weather clears up, to take virtually every piece of equipment I could possibly need down there and not come out until there is no where I've not seen. Mark
  10. I have the photos and maps on the computer from my phone, but i don't know how to get them onto the internet. Do you need your own website because that takes the p!$$. I have photos of 3 of the maps which are not totally clear but you can just about make them out, and also photos of each of the marked entrances on the maps + the ones leading to the lake, mirror cavern and church. When I try to insert a picture etc in a post, it comes up with "URL site", I might sound stupid, but can anyone give me some step by step instructions on how to get them from the computer to this site. Thanks Mark
  11. What I will have to do is take a photo of the originals using my camera phone then put them on here that way, I know the quality will probably not be as good but for now it's all I can do. I should hopefully be able to do that in the next couple of days. Mark
  12. Don't worry, I plan to have the photos and some maps on here asap, as pretty soon I will have the facilities to do so. I will try to show a map of the mousey as it is today, one of how it looked when the maps were made and photos with discriptions of the tunnels. I also have a very faint drawing of the exterior of the mousey as it looked then, it's amazing how much it's changed and how people can be mislead into thinking that crawling has only ever been the way in there. I'm still slightly puzzled as to what the "square chamber" is, and as it's pretty cold and wet so i'm not going to sleep down there for a while. I am determined so I wont stop until I suss it out though. Mark
  13. I really wish I could get some photos on here but I do not have a computer or scanner, i'm just using a library one. If i can find someone with a scanner then I'm more than willing to share all this information, anyone know where I can get access to one ?
  14. After recently trying to access all of the lower tunnels further inside the mousey I have some interesting information. I only went down there again because couriosity got the better of me and I decided to try to un-block the tunnel which leads to the church (somewhere I hadn't been before). After spending about half an hour moving rocks down there, I sat off for a rest near a large formation of rocks and slabs and noticed a large overhang and a ledge leading to a drop down into another chamber (near enough perfectly square room). I managed to get through there fairly quickly and noticed that the room was near enough filled with what looked like broken wooden storage boxes and pieces of old metal. I would estimate that the room is about a mile or so in. What I find really strange is there is no mention of it at all on the maps that I have. When I went down there, I only took equipment for un-blocking and lighting, I am now going to be spending most of my time down there exploring every inch of that place, WITH A CAMERA. This is too exciting not to. Mark
  15. I don't mean large candles, just small t lights, and a few mates to spend 20 minutes to help you light them, it really depends how long you are staying down there. The shaft is blocked for about 5 ft inside the mousey with large rocks and rubbish, the earth outside is piled up on top of it, its very stable though as i've jumped on it (not a clever thing to do though). I think it's probably best to get something sorted in the way of the history and also the gates which you mentioned James, if we don't then the owner may just try to seal them up for good. How would we set this in motion though ? Mark
  16. I really haven't got a clue how to get the pictures on here, as for the maps, I am considering posting an edited version as previously mentioned. The Shaft lined with a stone wall that you mentioned James was actually an alternative entrance/air hole, It once went about 15-20 ft down then turned inwards to the left. You can still see where you would drop down inside the mousey. Mark.
  17. I believe it's only the first around 10 metres of the level 1 which are really ready to fall in in the near future, not that this isn't dangerous, but that's really the only place that I don't trust so I tend not to stand around there. The last piece to fall was in the 3rd opening from the right of the level 1 about 5 years ago, my mate was stood were it fell just seconds before. All other collapses and falls that I can see are further back in the mousey about 50 metres out of the main circuit, but not a lot of people have been there. To have a good look around you really do need the 5000,000 candle power torch, but I never actually use mine until I get right in the mousey on the circuit as they tend to only last for 15-30 minutes continously. I found the best way was to take about 1000 candles and spread them around the whole caverns, this also provides better lighting conditions for a camcorder or camera unless you have the right equipment. Let me know when you are going to caves next Mark
  18. I was just looking over the maps and although the alternative entrances to the mousey are blocked, one was still partly accessable until a few years ago. I was about 5 when this was blocked so I don't know the exact spot, apparently it's on the quarry wall to the left of the gated entrance/mousey. If someone could tell me the exact location then I would dig it out and we could all maybe use it as an alternative entrance/exit, or for emergencys. Mark.
  19. After careful consideration I believe it wouldn't be very responsable to post maps so just anyone can use them, some caves have been blocked for safety reasons and should stay like that. While I was at the caverns on Saturday, I took over 50 photos of all entrances inside the mousey and out, along with descriptions of where the tunnels go and where on the maps they are. I also spent some time getting rid of most of the rubbish from the main cave area, it seems as though I'm not the only one cleaning up, so thanks for that. Also, as Olliebeak said, the last thing we want is to have 'tunnel blocker' finnishing off what he started, he will probably bring in a swipe keycard system and 24 hr guard from marines to enter the mousey next lol. Posting maps will surely attract as much unwanted attention as they will anything else and this could be very dangerous. I did manage to find a photo I took about 7 years ago with part of the lake and part of the entrance tunnel on it which isn't very clear as I could only light up the caverns to a certain extent and the flash wouldn't reach through the full cavern. You can make out the metal object and part of the entrance across to the other side. May I please make everyone aware that I would not recommend that people follow maps as some caverns and tunnels are still dangerous and I take no responsability for people who enter and get lost or hurt. I will try to post the lake photo on here asap. Mark.
  20. I'll second that, it's pointless getting into a discusson like this unless you keep an open mind. James, there are many stories made to keep the kids away but after seeing this for myself, I know there's something else. I don't know if you've heared it, but one of the "stories" that we made up is of a demon which burns a hand print into your back and stops you from leaving the woods forever, we simply pressed a muddy hand print onto their backs before they enter and watch them all come flying out of the caves as they notice the demon has caught everyone, this usually worked. lol Mark I would put them on here but I haven't got a clue how to.
  21. Also griffin, yes it is always best to have someone wait outside with a phone. When we go in, we usually have 2 people outside, one with a phone and one to run for help if needed and we never usually go into the caverns in less than 3s. Most mobile phones lose their signal just after the second blocked entrance on the left on your way in so it's pretty pointless taking one in but walkie talkies tend to work fine, even the cheap kids ones. We also leave a copy of the relavant maps showing all the tunnels we are entering and any falls with the people outside. I will be more than willing to copy maps for people but if you are to enter the caves, follow maps, or try to un block entrances you are doing so at your own risk as am I.
  22. When I brought up the fact that I have seen this figure, I asked the QUESTION, "has anyone ever seen it", a simple yes or no would cover that and you would have been able to keep to the subject rather than get into a discussion about ghosts. Back to the caverns, in reply to you griffin There is a certain amount of danger when you go into any cavern or tunnel, the main danger that I can see is people getting lost when they go beyond the junction area. Obviously there have been some pretty bad falls further in and anyone who goes in is doing so at their own risk. Mark
  23. Well HORT, I'll take it that you haven't this experience. Please allow me to clear up something else- I did not "introduce" this ghost, it appears to walk the cavern without any help from me or you, the fact that I saw it without any knowledge of who it is proves that, I was only told of its possible identity afterwards. This spirit ALSO happens to be a part of a "very interesting local topic" as many people would agree, if it's proof that you're looking for, then you probably have the same view towards an underground church or lake as no one has photographic evidence about them either, it's good to see that you have an open mind though. In reply to JustJeff, First of all, the distance is shown on the maps which I have. Also for a long time, I have studied the shape of the land in the surrounding area, the caverns have 5 levels in total which obviously means the tunnel system will remain underground when you come to a valley etc. I looked at the remaining system and mached it up to the land above and measured outside using local maps. It sounds like this would not be very accurate, however there are "landmark" like points in the tunnels and they are not all little passages which need to be crawled through, most can be accessed by walking. Also the amount of time it took me (just walking) was around 7 hours to reach the furthest point that I can get to. Even just the first 200-300 metres in the tunnels can be easily located by looking at collapses down there and comparing them to large (but sudden) dips in the field. Mark
  24. Obviously I can't prove that the tunnels definitly go to Lowe House Church, but while I have been working off the maps that I was given, they have not led me wrong as far as the lake, mirror cavern etc are concerned. I probably wouldn't have believed that the tunnels would go for that distance either if it wasn't for seeing at least 3 miles ofthem myself. Mark
  25. Has anyone evr seen the wandering monk in the cavern next to the mousey ? I saw this when I was about 15, myself and a friend Norman were digging out what we thought was the entrance at the back of this cavern when we saw (and felt) a figure move past us. This is said to be the ghost of Sir Edmond Arrowsmith, who's Hand is still kept in a church around the Wigan area and said to have healing powers. Why this ghost would be haunting the Caverns though i don't know. I have spoken to people who know of this but none who have actually seen . Mark
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