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  1. Yeah...family history research can be frustrating and yet we keep plugging away at it in hopes of a breakthrough. I have one relative who was court martialled....twice. He spent more time in the guardroom cells than actual soldiering. He deserted while in New Zealand so the chances of finding him are nil.
  2. Thanks for all the ideas and suggestions...and especially to Frank for providing the definition answer. It's not a big deal from a family history perspective but it helps piece together one more detail about where they lived. Many thanks, Mark
  3. The 1891 Census includes extra details for addresses on Blackbrook Rd. Some houses are "Turtons Pty", others are "Cunliffes Pty" etc. Am I right in thinking these were landowners who rented the homes to their tenants?
  4. Hi Ratty, I've tried the name search engine you suggested and also posted a message to the Boer War forum with no joy on either. I didn't bother looking at Army lists because this chap is a Private and I just can't see an officer from the Boer War enlisting as a Private in WW1. As to the medal rolls, they don't provide place of abode and often only have initials instead of first names. My fundamental problem is that I can't find anyone on any of my family lines (Haselden, Pickavance, Lee or Gamble) who was of an age to serve in the Boer War who's also absent from the 1901 Census. Part of this is also me grumbling because town Boer War memorial didn't provide the answer I was expecting. I'm airing my frustration in public.😊 I'm increasingly of the opinion that he isn't actually a relative but rather a friend or neighbour. That said, I'd still like to know who he is and how he fits with my family. Cheers, Mark
  5. Hi Steve, I wasn't looking for casualties. My man clearly survived the Boer War and re-enlisted (or was still serving) during WW1. The existing Boer War Memorial supposedly lists all St.Helens soldier's who served, and it identifies those who were killed. However, it seems pretty clear that, in reality, it's a record of the Territorial/Militia veterans rather than including all St.Helens sons who served. I'm just wondering if there are sources out there which might help me narrow down who this soldier was? Kind regards Mark
  6. Hi Frank, I did wonder if the L&NWR badges might actually point to Sankey Canal employees. Ironically, I have ancestors who lived at the New Double Locks for many years, with other relatives who worked the canal at Widnes Docks, Newton-le-Willows and a few other places. To me, the chap in the centre (with the dog) seems rather better dressed than the others. His shoes are nice and shiny and his clothes seem rather more dapper. I'm wondering if he was an employer or manager? Cheers, Mark
  7. Yeah, there's not a lot to go on is there? Several of my family worked on the Sankey Canal so it could break related to one of them. Equally, it could just be a bunch of neighbours or members of a working men's club. I do like the dog, front and centre. Wish there were more clues, though, about who these men were.
  8. My dear old Mum brought over the family photos last summer. She had no clue about why this photo was kept by the family. I'm wondering if anyone on St.Helens Connect can provide additional clues or ideas about the location? The only clue I've been able to pull out is the bloke seated to the left of the photo who has Lancashire and North West Railway initials embroidered on his collars. Can anyone else find any clues to the location or timeframe of the photo? Many thanks, Mark
  9. After my success above I turned my attention to some of the other unknown photos, starting with the Boer War veteran: I hoped the town's Boer War memorial might give me a clue to his identity but with no success. However, I'm not convinced the memorial lists all the St.Helens soldiers who served. As I looked down the list of units, it became clear that most of the soldiers came from just 3 units: 32nd Company Imperial Yeomanry, 2nd (Volunteers) South Lancashire Regiment, and 2nd Section (St.Helens) Royal Engineers. These were all territorial units based in St.Helens. Five other units are mentioned on the memorial but each lists just one soldier: 49th Coy (Montgomeryshire) Imperial Yeomanry, which was another territorial unit. There are actually 2 soldiers listed as belonging to this unit but the surname and initials are identical, so they're probably the same person. 71st Coy Imperial Yeomanry, a regular unit. 110th Coy (Northumberland) Imperial Yeomanry, which was another territorial unit. 1st Bn South Lancs Regt. 40th and 2nd South Lancs Regt - not sure about this unit identity, perhaps 40th Foot and 2nd South Lancs Regt? I find it hard to believe there was only one soldier positively identified as serving with a regular, Lancashire-recruited infantry regiment. In particular, I'm surprised there aren't any Lancashire Fusiliers on the list. Is it possible that the St.Helens Boer War Memorial doesn't list all St.Helens soldiers who served during the conflict? If so, does anyone have suggestions of other sources where I might uncover any additional Boer War soldiers? Many thanks, Mark
  10. Other ideas to consider: 1. The Pals Battalion (11th Bn, South Lancs Regt) 2. The Territorial units (5th Bn South Lancs Regt, 3rd West Lancs Field Ambulance, 55th Divisional Signals Coy, Royal Engineers, 1st West Lancs Field Coy, Royal Engineers). 3. The Zeppelin raid that dropped a bomb on Bold. 4. The munitions factory at Sutton Bond. 5. The chemical weapons factory at Sutton Oak.
  11. Have you considered focusing on a single family to examine how the War impacted the people of the town? Personalizing the history may make it more accessible for the children, rather than trying to teach abstract concepts like "war" which they can't really comprehend. Clearly, there were deaths and tragedy, and all the pain associated. However, there were also opportunities for the working class to attain positions that had never before been available. There was also bravery demonstrated. In addition, some men were unable to serve in uniform, or they had reserved occupations which prevented them from military service. All these concepts could be woven together through personal stories, and illistrated with photos of the people. I have some ideas on how you might implement such a concept, indeed I have a specific family in mind. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss further
  12. Here's the image of Sherdley New Hall from the Sutton Beauty website. It looks promising to me.
  13. Stupid question but a rather large residential chimney is visible at the extreme right rear of the wedding photo. Is that possibly Sherdley New Hall? Joseph Gamble lived in Sutton, and he and May married in St.Nicholas' Church in Sutton, so it would make some sense that Sherdley New Hall might be visible given the leafy surroundings of the photo. Any ideas anyone?
  14. Rejoice with me! I've made significant progress with 2 of the photos of previously unidentified soldiers: Working on the assumption that the seated chap in the second image was the same Sergeant Major in the first portrait, I made a leap of faith that he must have been a relative (otherwise, why keep 2 photos of the same man in the family?). I commenced a search to identify him, starting with the St.Helens Rolls of Honour website which didn't have any likely candidates. Similarly, the St.Helens Absent Voter List had a number of RE CSMs but I couldn't tie any of them to my ancestral lines. One CSM, William Fairhurst, (426449) seemed the most likely candidate to have ANY kind of association with my family and so I dug a little deeper on him. When I pulled up his Medal Roll sheet for his Territorial Force War Medal award, I noticed a familiar name lower down - Joseph C. Gamble: One of my Great-Grandmothers was a Gamble and so this discovery looked promising. I checked the family tree and, lo and behold, one of my Great-Great-Uncles, Samuel Gamble, had a son named Joseph Charles Gamble, which would make my Great-Grandma Joseph's aunt. If that was the case, it would be logical for my Great-Grandma to have one or two photos of him. The only problem was the complete lack of evidence that "my" Joseph served during The Great War. There was no Joseph C. Gamble of any flavour in the Absent Voter List, nor could I find a service record for him. It seemed I had no way to prove that the man in these photos was Joseph Charles Gamble. Out of curiosity, I started tracing other info about Joseph Charles Gamble and discovered that he married a May Fairhurst (AFAIK she wasn't related to CSM Fairhurst) on 14 July 1917. Was it conceivable that the second photo was his wedding photo? The flowers held by the ladies suggested it might be, plus the 2 ladies could easily be sisters. At long last, today, I received the marriage certificate and Joseph's occupation is listed as Sergeant Major. The witnesses are listed as "R. Fairhurst" (presumably May's younger sister Ruth) and "S. Wailing". A "Sydney Wailing" does appear in the Absent Voter List serving as a Sergeant in the RE. Sydney Wailing was awarded the MM and Mentioned in Despatches and served in the 55th (West Lancs) Signal Company, Royal Engineers. It's probably not too great a leap to suggest that CSM Joseph C. Gamble also served in that unit. Taken all together, I'm now convinced that the CSM in these images is Joseph Charles Gamble, my first cousin twice removed. It meant a lot to me to be able to put names to all the faces in these photos. Now I just need to work out the others: the Boer War Veteran; the RAMC soldier, and; the (probable) sister of a RAMC Cpl.
  15. Yep, got it. Thanks for reaching out. I'm working on a reply to your email.
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