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  1. Mark Haselden

    Air raid shelters?

    There used to be a large concrete shelter near the current site of Mill Green School. We used to walk past it going swimming there when I was at Allanson St. Junior School in the late 70s.
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    Canal Side - Where was it?

    Hi Ratty, Wow, that's a lot of info you've uncovered. Given that James Gamble owned a flat in 1851, it would make sense for him to be close to potential customers. That said, the did move around a lot. I'll post a list later to illustrate that. I've struggled to precisely locate Canal Place. It's certainly not named on the 1848 maps that I have. Any chance you could ping me a scan of the location from the 1849 map? Cheers, Mark
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    Canal Side - Where was it?

    Dunno...one of the birth certificates from 1862 lists the residence as Canal Street, and the Sankey was still very much in use at that time. Now it may well be that the modern Canal Street was built on top of the Canal but the birth certificate indicates pretty strongly that there was a Canal Street in the 1860s (assuming, of course, that the registrar wrote it down correctly!).
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    Canal Side - Where was it?

    Hi Ratty, That's a great idea but, alas, the family moved around frequently and lived at different addresses when the censuses were taken. The closest I can get is 1851 where the death certificate for their infant son, George, lists Canal Side as their residence but the census that year has them at Sankey Place. added 0 minutes later Hi Hiss. My relatives were James and Hannah Gamble. Sounds like I should look to the east of Canal Street as a likely area.
  5. One group of my ancestors moved around the town a fair bit. The birth certificates for the children identify a number of residences including Sankey Place, Canal Place and Canal Street, all of which are identified in the St.Helens Connect list of Street names. However, a couple of the certificates identify a residence at Canal Side. Is that just another name for one of the other listed locations or is it somewhere else, and if it's the latter, where was it? Hope some experts can help with this question.
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    Burial Plot search St.Marys Church Graveyard Prescot.

    Hi Ned, Re-reading the thread, I realised I had not explicitly confirmed that William Hayledon and William Haselden are the same person (although the inference was strong). I suspect his surname was mis-spelled as Hazledon and that the "z" was, in turn, perhaps mis-transcribed as a "y". The Lancashire Online Parish Clerks lists William Hazledon, aged 27, buried 15 Oct 1895 and the online image of this record could be misinterpreted as Hayledon. However, I'm better than 99 percent convinced this is my relative. Cheers, Mark
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    Union work house whiston 1889

    Check out the "St helens archives" thread. Apparently, people can book an appointment to access the archives and a couple of phone numbers are mentioned in the thread. AFAIK, nobody has actually tried this approach so it may not work in reality...but it might be worth a try.
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    GG Grandmothers family name?

    It could just be a case of the recorder mishearing the name. One of my Great Grandmothers had the maiden name Gamble but her marriage certificate was written up as Campbell. Phonetically, it's not a huge leap from Canning to Cannon.
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    Burial Plot search St.Marys Church Graveyard Prescot.

    Simple nowadays but back then we were barely out of leeches and bleedings as cures. His Army medical record shows they tried all sorts of "treatments" including diet, tonics, arsenic and opium!
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    Burial Plot search St.Marys Church Graveyard Prescot.

    Hi Ned, William's parents were John Haselden (b 1841, d 1890) and Elizabeth Spencer (b 1842, d 1883). They lived at 40 Morley Street, St.Helens. William wasn't married. As far as I know, the only connection with Prescot is because William was in the Workhouse. His Mum's death left his Dad to care for the remaining 8 kids (the eldest had died in 1879), the youngest being just a year old. When his Dad died, the family split up, some going to older siblings and some to their maternal Grandmother. William joined up in 1888 and was overseas when his Dad died. Kind regards, Mark
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    Burial Plot search St.Marys Church Graveyard Prescot.

    Many thanks, Ned. William had been a soldier (but not a very good one) in the South Lancs Regt but was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes while serving in Egypt. He was sent home at the end of May 1894 and medically discharged from the service on 28 Aug 1894. Presumably he was admitted to the medical ward of Whiston Union Workhouse because there was nowhere else for him to go. He probably couldn't work and was simply waiting our his time for his incurable medical condition to kill him.
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    Burial Plot search St.Marys Church Graveyard Prescot.

    Apologies for jumping on this thread but the Subj is pretty broad...and I hope someone can help. My Great Great Uncle William Haselden was buried in St.Mary's on 15 Oct 1895. His burial record (mis)spelled his surname Hazledon. Can anyone confirm if his grave has a headstone? He spent his last month in Whiston Union Workhouse so I suspect he didn't have a headstone...but confirmation would be nice. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Mark
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    1861 Census Address - 7 Green Street

    Wow, that was fast. Many thanks Ratty.
  14. Still working on my Gamble relatives. According to the 1861 Census, James and Hannah Gamble lived at 7 Green Street but I have no clue where that was. Any ideas or suggestions? Many thanks!
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    Gamble family...no, not THOSE Gambles

    Thanks for the info about James Gamble’s funeral in 1961 which contains some really useful info. Based on the pointers in this thread, I’ve already been lucky enough to track down his last surviving daughter and we’ve started exchanging information, which is great! I appreciate all the help I’ve received here on the forum. I understand, and share, your frustrations, at tracking the Gamble family back beyond James Gamble (b 1817-ish). The lack of a consistent birth year in the available records doesn’t help: Birth year 1816 in the 1841 Census – Living at Parr Bridge, employed as chemist labourer Birth year 1817 on his Marriage Certificate (1849) – Living in Windle, employed as boatman Birth year 1820 in the 1851 Census – Living at Sankey Place, employed as flat owner on the canal Birth year 1812 in the 1861 Census – Living at Green Street, employed as contractor I believe I’ve identified Joseph Gamble, a brother of James. According to the 1841 and 1861 Censuses, James Gamble (b 1916) was living with his nephew, also named James Gamble, who was born in 1837 or 1838. According to the 1861 Census, the younger James Gamble was born in Manchester. In the 1851 Census, a James Gamble, born in Manchester in 1838, is living with a Joseph Gamble born 1819 in Ireland. Joseph Gamble is listed as a widower in all the available census records, and he probably passed away in 1889. Unfortunately, Joseph Gamble doesn’t get us any closer to Baptist Gamble. As yet, I haven't found a birth/baptism record for James Gamble (born 1837/1838) to prove that Joseph was his father, nor can I find a marriage record that conclusively relates to him (a Joseph Gamble married a Mary Livesley in Prestwich in 1835 which would be about right but the marriage record doesn't list Joseph's father and it lists his age simply as "Full"...not particularly helpful!). The 1861 Census for James Gamble (born 1812-1820) also lists a 16 year-old niece with the surname Crop, also born in Manchester, which possibly indicates that James and Joseph had a sister. The niece’s name appears to be "Sahrit Crop" which, if correct, is a very strange name...and I can't find it in any other records to match it. It could be a transcription error inserted in the original census document but I'm struggling to come up with a "sounds like" alternative that could work. It therefore seems that we have at least 3 Gamble siblings born in Ireland but living in NW England in the mid-1800s. Perhaps if we can identify all the siblings, one of them might have additional info about Baptist Gamble?

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