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  1. Thank You! - for the specific info. and for information about the NLS collection, which I did not know about. You are right; no doubt about it! The two station buildings are shown clearly. The I am very glad that you pointed thatt out. The Frith Map is quite pretty, but clearly not accurate. What prompted my original search for the station, apart from having stood on it for hours (most memorably, in 1953, waiting for the 10.30pm train to St. Helens, in order to transfer to the first of the Wembley Specials, at midnight), was a book I am reading. You may know it...if you you don't but are interested in the history of UK railways (except the train numbers and how the engines were made) you'll enjoy it very much. Last night I learned that the railways quickly made the old drove roads redundant with a knock on effect for the pubs and shops which depended on the flow of cattle and their drovers through the local markets. An earlier version of the battering which new technology is today giving to the high streets. Book is by: Simon Bradley; Title: 'The Railways, nation, network and people'. Thatto Heath isn't in it. Despite that, I recommend it. Boris Even more puzzling!. The only one shown on the 1891 map was the one I described. The wording of the Wiki leaves open the possibility that although a station opened in 1871, the specific location changed.
  2. Even more puzzling!. The only one shown on the 1891 map was the one I described. The wording of the Wiki leaves open the possibility that although a station opened in 1871, the specific location changed.
  3. I bought a copy of the 1891 map of Thatto Heath from Francis Friths'. I'm amazed to see that the station is shown in a different location to the one we all know. It depicts it on on the land between Elephant Lane, Thatto Heath Road road bridge, Leicester Street and the old Step Bridge. In other words, it appears to have been on the Nutgrove side of the road bridge and directly opposite the library across the railway tracks. It's heavily hatched on the map but despite that, the words 'Thatto Heath Station can be clearly made out. The map is easily found via a Google Search and it's quite visible. I cannot find an earlier map. My father worked on the (existing) station from about 1927 and he never said anything about it having been re-located. Has anybody any information? I've attached a titivated version with a slightly clearer image.
  4. I have the answer from Wikipedia
  5. I am trying to work out when my grandfather left school to go down the pit. Although the 1870 Education Act established a basic system, the actual implementation was left very much to local authorities, in order to take into account the existing local provision which had mainly been provided by the Anglican Church and to respect the specific religious views of other denominations. There was subsequent legislation in 1880. My grandfather was born in 1880.He was neither Catholic nor Methodist and he lived in Finger Post. I'm not clear how the new system worked out in St. Helens between 1870 and 1900, nor do I know where I might find out that information. Can anyone point me towards the local sources of evidence which might shed light on the issue? Doub
  6. A Benyon ancestor was registered as dead in May 1918. But St. Helens' burial records show him to have been interred at Dentons Green in June 1923. It is without doubt the same person. Can anyone suggest an explanation?
  7. It's worth trying via the 'Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerks' site. (google it). Dead easy to use, comprehensive and free.
  8. A useful site for problems like this is 'Curious Fox.uk' Free, self explanatory
  9. It's worth trying via the 'Lancashire On-Line Parish Clerks' site. (google it). Dead easy to use, comprehensive and free.
  10. Best place to check Lancashire bmds is 'Lancashire On Line Parish Clerks' (Google it). It's comprehensive, free and dead easy to use.
  11. It sounds as though you have not accessed the records via the 'Lancashire On Line Parish Clerks' (Google it). Its truly brilliant and completely free.
  12. People who are in the 1939 census but whose death has not been registered are 'locked'. One of the census laws in order to protect people's privacy.
  13. It's a copy of the 1911 Census return for John and Jane Duffy, mid-30s living in St. Helens with their two small daughters. They eventually had six children. Jane's maiden name was 'Woosey'. Jane's ancestry has in part been traced back to Mary Bellard, dates unknown, who had at least three sons, the third of which was called Peter who was born in 1826. The person who has put the tree on Ancestry.uk is a female who lives in St. Helens. To see all the details you need an Ancestry Subscription. However, if you Google Ancestry.uk, yo can organise a free trial for 14 days and this will allow you to chase up the details. Good Luck!
  14. Brilliant, famous book on this. Written early 60's. 'The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren' by Iona and Peter Opie. Also, 'Children's Games in Street and Playground'. Same authors
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