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    Lingholm area

    By Alan,
    Anyone old enough to remember this coffee bar with its juke box? A real teddy boy haunt. Frothy, milky coffee in shallow glass cups

    Old St Helens bus routes & numbers

    The Undertaker
    By The Undertaker,
    Trying to remember the old bus numbers and routes from the late 50’s early 60’s     As far as I can remember there where 4 main bus termini.   Baldwin Street, Outside the Gas Show Room, Bridge Street, outside the Market, and the Town Hall Square & the Car Park outside Greenalls..     Baldwin Street : Opposite Coop Side No 15 Eccleston Loop (Clockwise) : outside Griffiths Shop No 16 Eccleston Loop (Anticlock) : outside Ellisons Coaches (Shop) and a cake shop No 5 Top Bleak Hill but can’t remember where in the opposite direction   No 20 (something) outside Rothery Radio (think these went to Moss Bank and/or Clinkham Wood)   Baldwin Street : Coop Side No 15, 16 or 5, 6 (Parr) Further down buses to Sutton ?   Bridge Street Market No 7 Prescot (Clockwise) via Rainhill No 8 Prescot (AntiClockwise) via Portico No 9 Have a feeling this only went to Rainhill Gates   Gas Show Rooms No 1 & 2 to Atherton No 3 & 4 to Haydock (Did the No3 just go to Blackbrook?)   Town Hall Square No 319 & 320 to Liverpool (from opposite the Town Hall) (Ribble Bus) No ? Southport (Ribble Bus) No 93 to Prescot via Eccleston (Gamble side) No 55 to Carr Mill (Opposite side to Town Hall) No? to Wigan (next to Carr Mill bus ?) (Ribble) No 89 Speak (Gamble side) (Crosville)   Buses to Warrington? – Greenalls Car Park (Ribble Bus)   The No10 went to Liverpool also.   What about the Clock Face, St Helens Junction, Earlstown, Newton-le-Willows routes ?

    Bridge St & Covered Market

    By Jules,
    The bus stop for the Rainhill & Prescot busses with the ticket booth The Savoy Cinema Sadie Warrr - Very expensive hats! Bartons pot shop (very old half timbered building oppo bus stop) with all the baskets of crockery outside. Tyrers outfitters Liptons? grocers Chemist (can't remember the name) And Billy the Echo Express man. In the covered market - Clares Leather, boot & clogmakers The Tea & barm cake stall that the bus drivers used Norman Ball's butchers The Tripe stalls Roberts Pie stall Yates Hat stall, to name but a few!


    By Facboydim,
    The bin yard behind Station Rd? The shop opposite Speakmans chippy on Robins lane with the earrings made of flies in clear plastic blocks? The big house opposite the Prince of Wales that was destroyed when the owner was in hospital? The Show Field? The little chapel on the corner of Edgeworth St and Robins Lane? The Laundromat opposite the vulcan that had "Blue Oyster Cult" written in the dirty windows? Railway Terrace? Morris's on Peckershil Rd? (the best place in Sutton for horror cards and Pannini stickers) Mitzis?

    St Thomas Churchyard Hewitt Ave

    By hartington,
    Can any one help with any dates, when St Thomas Churchyard was moved to make way for houses, I have July 1983 when notice was given for application to stop burials,hope someone can help. Hartington

    1881 census

    By jill,
    Thought you might like to see this newspaper article from 1881 <!-- p.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; margin-left:0cm; margin-right:0cm; margin-top:0cm}-->   Transcribed from the St Helens Newspaper and Advertiser of 1881   THE CENSUS OF 1881     Sir Brydges-Henniker, The Registrar-General, has sent to the press for publication the following memorandum respecting the forthcoming census:- The census concerns every individual in the British Isles.   At the latter end of March a schedule will be left with the occupier of every house and apartment; and shortly after sunrise, on Monday, 4 April, about 35,000 enumerators in England and Wales will begin their calls and collect the schedules which they have previously left, filling up those of persons who have been unable to write.  A similar army will perform a precisely similar operation in Scotland and in Ireland.   It is sometimes asked, why is the census to be taken?  What is the use of the information to be collected?   The census is one of the means a nation employs to acquire knowledge of itself.  The householder takes note of the members of the family; the merchant takes stock; governments count the numbers of their people.  The population of a country is not only of great interest in science, but it is a piece of information with which every educated person is familiar, and is, indeed the primary feature in every elementary book of Geography.  That the ‘population’ may be correctly known the Census must be taken. The information, however, supplied in the Census volumes will by no means limited to the number of population.  This will be given for each county, each Parliamentary division and borough, each registration district and sub-district, and for each sanitary area..  But, in addition to mere number of inhabitants, the population will be classified by their age, their sex, their conjugal condition, their occupation, and their birthplace. A knowledge of the facts about the English people is in itself useful and gratifying to a liberal curiosity; precisely as is an acquaintance with the plants and minerals and animals of the world, and the stars in the heavens, whose ‘multitudes’ have been numbered by scientific men. It is, moreover, well established that the relations of men to each other, and all their acts, are governed by universal laws, which can be deduced from the observations of which the Census supplies the most essential part.  Some of these laws are too recondite for casual discussion, but the doctrines of population and of life insurance may be referred to as of obvious importance. The area of these islands is limited, and it is a matter of no small interest to know how many people there are to be fed, as to what rate they are increasing, and how they are likely to increase; how may are dependent on the several kinds of industry, deriving materials from the produce of the soil, or from the wider field of foreign commerce.  The Census supplies answers to all these questions, and with other facts shows how population is increased or diminished by marriages at different ages, by the different species of industry, and by emigration to our vast Colonial possessions. The numbers of fighting men, as well as intelligence and wealth determine the position England holds in the presence of other great Powers of Europe; and are the measure of the influence which it can exert in the cause of freedom all over the world.  The Census displays to her enemies the force invaders have to dread, and to friendly states the number of their friends in England. The first Census was taken under Mr Pitt’s Administration in 1801.  It was the year of the Union with Ireland; a year of famine, and a year with sanguinary war with France having the Northern Confederacy for its allies. The population of Great Britain was estimated at7,392,000 in 1751.  Manufacturers and the large towns increased, but emigration was commencing, and some country villages were deserted in the last half of the century.  Dr Price contended that there was an absolute decay of the population.  This gave rise to a protracted controversy which, in the critical state of the country, it was important to clear up.  The population of Great Britain was hence enumerated in 1801, and amounted to 10,834,623 which with that of Ireland made above 16,000,000.  This was a triumphant reply to the doubts of those who despaired of their country. Not withstanding the war, the population increased as the Census showed at the rate of two to three millions every 10 years until 1841.  Then great emigrations took place; there was a depopulating famine in Ireland, which had an imperfect Poor Law, and cholera was epidemic; yet the population of Great Britain increased, and although the population of Ireland fell off, the enumerated people of the United Kingdom including the islands in the British Seas amounted to27,724849 in 1851, to 29,321288 in 1861, and to 31,629,299 in 1871.   Since those dates there have been great emigrations; but the marriages have increased, the births have exceeded the deaths, and the mortality of the towns has been diminished by sanitary measures.  An increase of the population may be expected; but its extent and the particular classes which have increased or declined – in towns or in the country – can only be determined by the Census to be taken on 4th April. The number of souls, in the expressive language of the old writers, will then be known, and will remind the nation of the extent of the institutions for the advancement of education, religion and justice required to keep pace with its numbers. The information which the Census supplies admits of innumerable practical applications.  At the present time it is not impossible that knowledge of the relative populations of the several counties and towns may be the basis for some change in the distribution of Parliamentary representation.  The information required, moreover,  for determining the state of public health; and by pointing out the variations in the rate of mortality, and the intensity of diseases under different circumstances, will lead to the removal of the real causes of national suffering and decay. The frequency with which reference is made in both Houses of Legislature, at Public Boards, and on Municipal Bodies, to the varying population of the towns, counties and several divisions of the country, demonstrates the propriety of obtaining all the information accurately which the Census supplies for public purposes. The population of the electoral areas will be learnt; the clergy will ascertain the number of people in their ecclesiastical parishes and sanitary authorities the inhabitants within their new boundaries. The Census was taken by the Legislators of antiquity; it is now carried out in every civilised country.  But the English Census has in it some peculiarities.  It has no connection whatever with rates and taxes.  There is nothing approaching to a poll-tax, and no one has anything to dread from the census enquiries.  There is no conscription in England, the services by sea and by land being filled by volunteers.  The enquiry elicits no real secrets, as the information asked of each man is known approximately to all his acquaintances; and even in the delicate matter of years numbered by gentlemen or even by ladies it is found by many, or they are seldom thought, younger than they are even by their friends; so that to record the truth is the right and prudent course to pursue.  The returns of name and age, and indeed the whole of the facts, as is officially announced, are to be treated as confidential, and neither to be used to a persons disadvantage nor to gratify ‘idle curiosity’.  Should the stated age of servants or of others to be found by any fatality standing still or even retrograding it should be corrected by the heads of families who fill the Returns. In ancient Rome the bulk of the people were not enumerated; in the Domesday Book, and even in some modern states, they have only been counted by the head, but in England the working classes are all taken down in the census books by name and treated precisely on the same footing as her Majesty the Queen. Another peculiarity of the English Census consists in its being taken by enumerators in one day.  This is done to make the operation almost photographic, so that each individual may be counted only once; but it adds to the difficulty of this apparently simple, but really complex and vast operation. England and Wales have been divided into about 35,000 districts, to each of which an enumerator has been appointed.  They work under2,176 district registrars, and 630 superintendent registrars.  To each officer minute printed instructions, suggested by the experiences of the last Census, have been given by the Registrar-general, and all have been supplied with appropriate books and schedules suitable to their districts through the Post Office, the Railways or the Parcels Delivery Company. The enumerators are a highly respectable body, and include clergymen, and many other professional men, who have undertaken the work from public motives.  But the success of the operation depends not so much on the Registrar General, on his officers, or on the enumerators, as on the heads of families- now approaching six millions- in every part of the land.  Some of these of course, are not in a position to understand the measure; and the co-operation of all the educated classes, particularly of the clergy, of medical men, and of public writers in the press, is indispensable to the complete success of the Ninth census. If the influential classes of society will expend a portion of the interval between this date and the 4th of April in explaining the measure, in disseminating information among the poorer classes, and in persuading them, or even aiding them, to furnish exact returns, the operation will undoubtedly be as successful as it was in 1871, when the Census was taken without the infliction of a single fine under the penal clauses of the Act of Parliament.  The success of the coming Census of the Mother-land will be hailed with interest not only by her own people, but by the growing millions in her Colonies across the Atlantic, or in the Southern Hemisphere, where a like census is taken to fill up the roll of the English race.     The Times in a leader noticing the forthcoming Census, remarks-“The British public is now generally aware that a census is not only a lawful and moral act, about which there used to be so much controversy, but also useful, and indeed necessary…… Apart from the Imperial question every town, every country, every village is proud of its numbers, and is also well informed as to the numbers of the town, county or village coming into competition.  Every parish, at least every pastor, tells the number of his flock, and every bishop has the sum of them at his fingers’ ends.  A census then, is becoming a matter of course, and the wonder is that we do not have a new one every year.  The Registrar General, who, it is to be considered makes an appearance in this matter only once in ten years, is naturally desirous to improve the rare occasion.  Why should he not?  For the day he is a king of men and the commander-in-chief pf the largest army ever mustered under its thousand and one colours and denominations. Everything depends on the census.  “England expects every man to do his duty, so quit yourselves like men,” he seems to say to his thirty-eight thousand enumerators, registrars and superintendent registrars.  The Great Powers of Europe wait for the return to know England’s true position.  Freedom all over the world longs to ascertain the value of her friendship.  The enemies which menace our shores will shrink back when they hear the astounding total, and our friends will take heart and venture to love us more.  The Registrar General invokes to his aid the natural curiosity of literature and science and of philanthropy.  We number plants and living creatures down to every variety; our astronomers are numbering the stars of heaven, though they have not yet finished doing it; there is nothing for which we do not have the figures and dimensions in these days.  How much more important and interesting it is to know all about ourselves, how may we are, what we are about, whether we are married or single, and how we are maintaining ourselves!”

    Nutgrove & Thatto Heath shops

    By Jules,
    Does anyone remember the general grocers store next door to the York Hotel in Nutgrove? It was approached up a brick set slope and had a post box set into the wall. It was owned and run by Nellie & Arthur Ashton and their Father had a bakery at the rear of the shop. (In later years it was a Bookies) Opposite Ashton's was a Greengrocers & Fruiterers called Moses, what other shops does anyone recall in either Nutgrove or Thatto Heath ?

    CRITCHLEY Elizabeth

    Kiwi Bev
    By Kiwi Bev,
    Just discovered my Gr Grandmother Elizabeth CRITCHLEY on the 1841 census. Parents Henry and Margaret, siblings Ann, Margaret, Thomas   1851 census further siblings, Sarah E, William H, plus sister in law Mary Forbes   Appears Gr Grandmother wasnt married when her 2 daughters Elizabeth and Ellen were born.   She was listed on all census as Elizabeth Critchley up until 1891 and 1901 census when she was listed as Elizabeth JONES Widow living with her son in law and daugher Robert and Ellen COWLEY.   Any connections out there?

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