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    Thomas Abbott (1892-1953)

    Leigh
    By Leigh,
    Hello all,  I  believe I can gone as far back as I can in the records for my great-grandfather, Thomas Abbott, who for reasons that elude me today became separated from his wife, and his children (although apparently my grandfather used to secretly visit him). So, whilst I know that until the next census becomes available, it is unlikely I will have any more paper evidence but this is unlikely to have much impact on my current knowledge. What I am searching for is potentially somebody who may have a primary or secondary knowledge of him. It's unlikely, but people who may have lived nearby or had family who lived in the area may have had some knowledge of this gentleman.  What I do know about Thomas is: - He was born to James Augustus Abbott & Elizabeth Ellen Harrison on 18th January 1892 (according to the birth index, but he lists his birth year as 1891 on the 1939 register).  He had 5 sibling. John (1890-1892); Sarah Jane (1895-1981); Mary Elizabeth (1897 - ?); Frank (1899-1912); and Emily (1905 - ?) In 1911, he still lived with his family at 73 Silkstone Street. His occupation was a glass bottle maker. He would have been approximately 19 years old.  He was conscripted to the military from 2 Sep 1914 - 9 Dec 1914. 268th Brigade Royal Field Artillery. He was discharged under Paragraph 392, sub-paragraph 3c of King's Regulations. Recruit not being likely to become an efficient soldier. Possible reasons I have concluded for this; due to fitness, poor conduct or academically sub par. 25th December 1915, he marries my great-grandmother Jane Maud Greener (1898-1963) (known as Maude). Witnesses  to their marriage were James Littler (Probable relation to Maude's step-father) and Elizabeth Abbott (Mother) Their first daughter Olive, was born 4th April 1917 Their second daughter Florence, was born 27th March 1918 Their son and my grandfather, Robert, was born 17th November 1922.  Maude and Thomas were still together until at least 1922 and the birth of my grandfather.  The likelihood that Thomas was still around for their childhood is pretty good, considering Robert used to visit his father.  Thomas and Maude lived at 22 Waterloo Street, St Helens. (This is the location attributed to Robert's birth). From 1922 to 1939; there is no documentation. During this time, Maude resided with a gentleman, originally from Wigtownshire, Scotland. His name was John Briggs McLorie. He was a widower, with at least two sons. John Briggs McLorie was a dominant force it seems; he reacted with my grandfather who didn't seem to get along too well. My grandfather, who died earlier this year, apparently attributed signing up to the army early in order to get out of the family home. 1937, Olive, his daughter, marries Sidney J Southward.  In 1939, according to the register.  Thomas was residing at a lodging house, on 26 Market Street, and had (presumably) separated from his wife. The owner of this lodging house was a Sarah Johnson (b. 10th Sept 1879). Thomas' sister,  Sarah Jane married a John Johnson. It could be a relation, but given the commonality of the surname, it is not a given. The rest of the Abbott family live at 20 Woodville Street during this period.  1942 - Florence  Abbott marries David McLorie (son of John Briggs McLorie).  Florence dies later that year from Tuberculosis. Place of death is 34 Hall Street. David McLorie leaves for Canada. 7th July 1953. Thomas Abbott dies from Stomach cancer at Whiston Hospital. His address is listed as Tontine Street (where the multistory now stands), his identity was verified by his daughter Olive.  In 1957, Maude marries John Briggs McLorie before his death later that year During December 1963, Maude dies. I know this is probably grasping at straws, but as Thomas is a fairly recent ancestor of mine, if anyone has any other details or facts about the man, it'd be fantastic to find out more. Thanks everyone Leigh Abbott 😍

    Greenwoods are back in Town

    Robbob2010
    By Robbob2010,
    Thanks to @Michael15 and @non sibi sed omnibus I put this fresh so Dave admin can Tweet it out. Not a clue when it's opening...     Greenwoods back in the Hardshaw Centre by Robbob 2010, on Flickr

    ST Helens Council has lent millions of pounds to authorities up and down the country

    HORT
    By HORT,
    ST Helens Council has lent millions of pounds to authorities up and down the country in an effort to raise funds. I wonder if they will drop the 3 weekly bin collections? http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/16690854.fundraising-effort-sees-st-helens-council-lend-millions-to-other-authorities/?ref=rss

    Tommy silhouettes around the borough

    Robbob2010
    By Robbob2010,
    I don't think i'll be able to get them all and hopefully they won't get trashed or stolen. These are to honour the fallen from the First World War. Taken yesterday evening.   Steve Prescott Bridge...   Silent Tommy Soldier by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Silent Tommy Soldier by Robbob 2010, on Flickr     As the sun goes down,Horseshoe roundabout,Parr...   Silent Tommy Soldier by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Silent Tommy Soldier by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Here's a list:   Billinge and Seneley Green – Garden area on Main Street, and Garswood Train Station Blackbrook – Vicarage Road roundabout Bold – St Helens Junction Train Station, and Clock Face Road north of Sweet-Brier Court Earlestown – Earlestown Train Station Eccleston – Eccleston Park Train Station, and the grass area at Broadway/Springfield Lane Haydock – Park adjacent to Clipsley Lane Moss Bank – Haresfinch Park Newton-le-Willows – Newton-le-Willows Train Station, and Newton Cemetery Parr – The Horseshoe pub roundabout, Broad Oak Road/Derbyshire Hill Road✔️ Rainford – Rainford Train Station, and Mossborough Road Rainhill – Rainhill Train Station, and Warrington Road Sutton – Lea Green Train Station Thatto Heath – Public open space on Thatto Heath Road/Elephant Lane Town Centre – St Helens Central Train Station The Steve Prescott Bridge✔️ West Park – Thatto Heath Train Station Windle – Green space on Rainford Road, and St Helens Cemetery          

    WW2 MERCHANT NAVY MEDAL RECORD

    woodsman
    By woodsman,
    Totally baffled by the abreviation list. Can anyone explain the boxes which have been upper line        1939          AT       PA                          91820 second line    one box                 CL Tried to make sense of the National Archives abbreviations list but nothing seems to match, thoughts appreciated Picked up this person returning from Bombay as a passenger, bit faded but appears to be RADIO OFFICER

    Open & Closed on Fingerpost

    Robbob2010
    By Robbob2010,
    This was 'for sale' for a while and i only noticed it today,mind you the tree's cover it outside.It's not been opened long. These may come in handy one day or just for the record. (It's next door to Thrifty's but classed as on Park Rd)   RCCG Saints Parish Church,Fingerpost by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   RCCG Saints Parish Church,Fingerpost by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   RCCG Saints Parish Church,Fingerpost by Robbob 2010, on Flickr     This has closed down i was told today...   Gioco CLOSED Down on Fingerpost by Robbob 2010, on Flickr

    Fly tipping

    HORT
    By HORT,
    its increased in Tellins by 70%. Will it go higher with 3 weekly bin collections. Its in the Star http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/16606416.fly-tipping-in-st-helens-soars-by-70-per-cent-over-past-five-years/?ref=rss  

    Trainspotting: 100+Pics & Video

    Robbob2010
    By Robbob2010,
    Diesel day,it doesn't half take me back. Stepping back in time...   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr       It were a hot day    Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr   Bury Bolton St by Robbob 2010, on Flickr     British Rail,happy days. 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My first time is here :                                               added 4 minutes later @Hangonamo @suttyoak and whoever likes trains  

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