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I try to reply to Ancestry messages, out of common decency. If I cannot answer the questions raised, I will say so.

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Council propose earmarking £3.6 million for Gamble building regeneration WWW.STHELENSSTAR.CO.UK THE historic Gamble building is set to be restored after council budget papers proposed earmarking £3.6m for its regeneration over the next two…

Just received a query from a person on Ancestry asking about my Grandparents. It turns out that she is the granddaughter of my cousin who emigrated to the USA just after WW2.

Some more... Tickle Ave,Parr by Robbob2010, on Flickr Ridgewood Drive,Sutton by Robbob2010, on Flickr Blackbrook by Robbob2010, on Flickr Ravenhead Greenway,Off Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Ravenhead Greenway,Off Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Merton Bank Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Pocket Nook St. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Atlas St,Fingerpost. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Atlas St,Fingerpost. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Atlas St,Fingerpost. by Robbob2010, on Flickr

A few Wide angle shots put in. Bridge St by Robbob2010, on Flickr Church St by Robbob2010, on Flickr Church St by Robbob2010, on Flickr Church Square by Robbob2010, on Flickr Church St by Robbob2010, on Flickr Sutton Park by Robbob2010, on Flickr Sutton Park by Robbob2010, on Flickr New St,Sutton. by Robbob2010, on Flickr New St,Sutton by Robbob2010, on Flickr Church St by Robbob2010, on Flickr

Though i was seeing things this morning. The former Yorkshire Bank on Bridge St. Yorkshire Bank rebranded as Virgin Money by Robbob2010, on Flickr

Thanks for the memorys.i worked at Crone and Taylor next to the bridge for a few years after I served my time at the Vulcan . Your doing a great job Rob much appreciated by all

Remember the 2 houses between the Council yard and on Peasley Cross Lane? Gone... Thats magic! Houses/offices gone on Peasley Cross Ln by Robbob2010, on Flickr

Reckon it would be a good idea if Ancestry was to introduce some system which would allow you to see how many messages an individual replied to. At least you would then be able to judge if it is worth contacting them.l

Never assume you can't have a relative of another colour, race or creed. I've had some strange experiences with people who've said things like, all our family are white/black/christian/muslim etc; sometimes I've had to tell them otherwise

You can waste time contacting people letting them know how you've figured out that you're related to them and they come back with "I'll have a look when I've got a minute." One did that to me in the middle of last year and after about six months I asked if they'd had a minute yet. The reply to that one was similarly short and uninteresting. One of the worst instances was to do with a bunch of people (and I mean quite a big bunch) of DNA matches out in Utah - like the mecca of genealogy and there was one woman who was 'managing' quite a few of those matches. It was somewhere on my dad's side but the match must come from way back. None of the trees went back very far (if they had trees at all), but I thought that she must be keen if she's managing so many kits. But she has an unlinked tree with 24 people in it and she said "I'm really not very good with the ancestry thing. I have relatives that have researched into the family tree. I'll have to start getting into it if life slows down. I live in Utah and have never been to Europe. Would love to visit someday!" I bet that she'll never get around to it.

I think in future I shall take the line of not sending any messages as it does seem to be a pointless exerciese and if anyone wishes to contact me, fair enough, I shall reply.

Digitising Glass Plate Negatives | St Helens Through The Lens STHELENSLENS.WORDPRESS.COM Before the widespread use of photographic film, glass was used as a medium in photography. Thin glass plate was coated on one side with a... Says on above link... "A team of dedicated volunteers are currently sorting, describing and cataloguing the collection. When completed, the catalogue will be fully searchable with selected images and published online here. The glass plates will be sorted and rehoused into new archival standard enclosures and boxes suitable for long term preservation." http://calmview.sthelens.gov.uk/calmview/Overview.aspx

Hello everyone, Here is a little more information on the house in the original pictures on Hard Lane. It's called Windlehurst Lodge. Was built 1860-69 and was the gardeners residence for the Gamble estate. Windlehurst House was the name of the main property that was built for Sir David Gamble an industrialist in the chemical industry, Sir David Gamble was the first Mayor of Helens, he was also the commodore for many years of the Royal Mersey yacht club and in fact owned a few very impressive yachts. https://www.maritimeviews.co.uk/byy-biographies/gamble-sir-david-bart-k-c-b-the-late/ The Gable residence (Windlehurst house) was gifted to the St Helens council when Sir David Gamble passed including the surrounding land thats mainly become council housing, Windlehurst house was turned into a school, Windlehust lodge was the headmaster residence for many years. Windlehurst lodge then became the residence of the Head Gardener for St Helens council (perk of the job), and in the late 70s the house entered private ownership. I would love to see some original old photos of the house if anyone has any. The mystery of the "liver bird" is actually the Gable family crest https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=148198&name=Gamble I will contribute more if people are interested. Adam

Superb pics as per, Rob

They are in grave 98 at St Peters, Parr, in the 1926 extension. Violet 15/6/1963 Edwin 7/5/1969

Hi,......You literally can be buried anywhere ..........have you checked St.Helens Cemetery if they have been cremated? Nearest church to Neville with a substantial grave yard would be Parr St.Peters.

Former Whitehouse Pub,Sutton Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Another wide angle. Former Whitehouse Pub,Sutton Rd by Robbob2010, on Flickr

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Is it money that has never been used?

Few and lots to post... Sutton Oak Welsh Chapel, Sutton Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Sutton Oak Welsh Chapel, Sutton Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Sutton Oak Welsh Chapel, Sutton Rd. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Bridge on Lancots Lane, Sutton. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Bridge on Lancots Lane,Sutton. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Bridge on Lancots Lane,Sutton. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Bridge on Lancots Lane,Sutton. by Robbob2010, on Flickr Browns Short Break Respite Ltd,Nunn St,Parr. by Robbob2010, on Flickr

Sorted HORT, found out esrlier as overhead a few nearby residents saying on bus as they got off at Carr Mill.Thats a loada Pollocks over there.Well i could be mistaken as couldnt hear prop as wearing masks like us.

HORT Ive heard from a very very reliable source that the bouys have been placed to divide the fishing rights.Little fishies on the bank side are to be only fished by thise who voted Brexit.The other side is anyone else..

The percentages are always being redefined - and the estimates of the different companies can differ wildly.

My tree is open. I figure if I'm hoping to find family then there's no point in hiding anything? It's hard enough finding reliable connections without handicapping myself

My tree is marked as private, but it does not stop people asking for information. Also, you can open the tree to the people you would like to see it.

Just thought I would add this to this thread as I have been watching videos lately from the Gamble/Library on Facebook and You Tube. Enjoy! Hope they work. Look for...https://www.facebook.com/STHLibraries/ And on You Tube... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVLG5R3HpZl6kdyvQG3kwlta6MJtgwqnR

Here's some more interesting info. on Sir David Gamble for anyone who's interested.

Hello Adam, if you move just a little further down the street and look at the house opposite the Bowling Club, the one with the turret on the side than that was where the Gamble family lived. This is the original house, the building which you mention being the lodge/gatehouse.

Thanks Phyll. Apparently that is the entrance from Elton Head Road .

Well done Frank. Bolton grandfather, 70, becomes oldest to row Atlantic unassisted, raising £640k for charity NEWS.SKY.COM Frank Rothwell raised £648,000 for a dementia charity by completing his 3,000-mile journey across the ocean.

Fantastic achievement - something positive for a change Nice find Phyll.

Very effective Robster

TJ, Thats not him on familysearch, down as Joseph Wilson, b 2 Mar 1803, christened 20 Mar 1803, St Helens, Father Jas Wilson. Jas often shortened for James. You have probably seen it, but thought worth a mention

@woodsman I have been told there were a lot of people of Scottish descent around Greenbank as well as the irish and the two DNA's overlap areas. I can't get any further back than 1800, my 4x gt grandfather was Joseph Wilson born about 1800 St Helens according to 1851 census. he married in Farnworth in 1827 but the record is only from Bishop's Transcripts and no father's name so stuck for the time being.

This is an ongoing merge between Virgin,Clydesdale and Yorks banks.

One of the simple things that I enjoyed in recent weeks was finding the Will of a 5x great grandfather (one of 128 other 5x great grandfathers - or 256 5x great grandparents in general) Philip Daw. Born in 1766 at Mere, Wiltshire, I think that he lived in London for a bit, but it seems like he mostly lived in East Knoyle. He died in 1845. Only appearing in one census, he was just an Ag Lab. I think that he knew how to write though because it looks as though the Will is in his handwriting. He mentions his daughter Susan being married to William Smith (of all names, but that branch was pretty easy to flesh out, considering) and it gave me some other clues. Philip_Daw_Last_Will.pdf WWW.DROPBOX.COM Dropbox is a free service that lets you bring your photos, docs, and videos anywhere and share them easily. Never email yourself a file again!

It is turning out to be quite interesting. The line stretching back from the GGGrandfather was part of the outflow of Scots seeking a better life during the Highland Clearances and have ended up doing rather well for themselves in the Spice Island of Grenada. Evidently there was a large numbr of Scots in the Carribbean, many owning plantations and doing quite well in various trading enterprises, which was shown by the monies collected and sent back to fund projects like Inverness Infirmary and Fortorse Academy. It is making fascinating reading and has rekindled the enthusiasm for FH.

I have found more of my DNA connections have Scottish in them, beleive my Wilsons who were in St Helens from About 1800 may have come from north of Hadrian's Wall. @Dave nearly fell off my chair looking at Ancetry hints, one comes up as the person being in your tree, Pauline Margaret White 1925-2010, presume she is connected to you by marriage?

As opposed to the earlier quotation which was from my book on St Helens published 5 or 6 years ago, the following reference to the smells of St Helens is from a book that I've yet to get published: (Strange thing about the bus journey (No. 6 Trolley bus to St Helens Junction) is that I can still vividly remember the smells that permeated the cigarette smoke-laden air on the upper deck. In fact I’m sure that in those days you could navigate the route by smell alone. As the bus made its way up Duke Street you got the warm comforting smell of Bowley’s bakery on your right closely followed by the cooked meat smell of Whittle’s pie shop on the left. When you turned into Baldwin Street you caught the herbal smell of Beecham’s Pill factory off to your right in Westfield Street. Progressing along Church Street, you got the smell of hops from Greenhall and Whitley brewery to your left. Next up was the more unpleasant smell of coal gas and tar from the Gas Works at Peasley Cross and the producer-gas from the UGB works behind it. Then as you passed the two hospitals, you got the traditional hospital whiff of disinfectant and chloroform. The real winner was however after you’d turned left into Robins Lane when you hit the unspeakable rotten egg smell of the Sidac Works. If you survived that pong which seemed to originate from a small multi-coloured pool fed by an equally multi-coloured stream that in my child’s mind’s eye came from the bowels of the factory, you were almost home and dry with just the welcoming smells of Royle’s Bakery awaiting as you closed in on your destination. If you were lucky, the destination would be marked by the hot oil and smoke smell of a steam-engine at the Junction Station.)

Its The Game Bird now and Bird Game is what you play in it.

Middlehurst garage,I remember buying a Riley Elf new cost about £650 in the late 60s.

Yes, it on the corner of Prescot Road and Seascale Avenue. Difficult to see because of all the trees in front of it. Demomishing it means Lord P must be turning in his grave.

As it can't be seen from the main road, I've never even actually seen that building. What a disgrace that, yet ANOTHER old and elegant building is getting demolished. There must be lots of Victorian Architects turning in their graves right now ..........................

David Gamble (who commissioned the Gamble House in Pasadena) also put this motto on his family 'crest.' You can see it with just a little googling around. I'd assumed that he just invented the whole thing after he decided that he was a gentleman, but perhaps there was some ancestral link after all. From Yahoo answers

Going by 1939 register the next entry for Hard Lane after Windlehurst Hall is Windlehurst Lodge then Windlehurst Cottage, the one before is Stable Cottage Windlehurst so I would say Lodge is the most likely.

Yeah, there was the Gamble estate. I think the house was back in those woods near the quarry and some of their land was used for Victoria Park - the rest being Ansdell's house and gardens. Windlehurst - Gamble residence I wonder if the house in the OP was a lodge or a servant's house for the big place? Check the 1937 map where it shows Windlehurst Mansion Sch. (was it used as a school once?) and it looks as though the other one is Windleshaw House.

I think we had a thread on that house a few years ago. HORT should know the area better than most My memory of that house and the sort of woodland that lay behind it is from the 1950s when my wife lived in Rivington Avenue with some of her family in Princess Avenue so it's a bit sketchy. I always imagined that there used to be a sort of country estate between Hard Lane and Bishop Road before the council estate was built, maybe Victoria Park was part of it, and that that house was a lodge house to the estate. Memories fade but wasn't there a public right of way that led from that house, past a very old school building on the right (Windlehall.or Hurst School?) and that came out in Princess Avenue? Again memory plays tricks, but I'm pretty sure that the area bordered by that path, Hard Lane, Gamble Avenue and Princess Avenue was unkempt woodland in the 1950s

It allegedly means "I can scarcely call these things our own".