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[Dave D]

Pub was The White Hart just lower down from Woolies.

[Olliebeak]

DJGAZZA, on 23 October 2011 - 11:37 AM, said:

I did say up TL lol. That's what I meant Ollie, if you look above the ground floor there's some great architecture

hmmmm - methinks that DJGAZZA amd TL are taking the mick out of me somewhere along the line - but at this time on a Monday morning, I just need an extra to recover from my weekend indulgences.

[DJGAZZA]

My great architecture quote wasn't a mick take Ollie. Dave it wasn't the White Hart that's gone. This is the building where Marks is now with the emblem over the top

[Olliebeak]

DJGAZZA, on 26 October 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

My great architecture quote wasn't a mick take Ollie..........

In that case, DJ, please forgive my cynicism - you and I are on the same wavelength regarding the architecture then. Can you imagine any building firm going to all that trouble with decorative features in this day and age ?


According to the Town Centre 1845 Map, there were two hotels/public houses along that stretch of Church Street. There was the 'White Lion' and the 'Eagle and Child' - unfortunately according to this picture http://www.sthelens-...re.php?pic=2140 neither of them look like the building in question !

Edited by Olliebeak, 26 October 2011 - 10:05 PM.

[Dave]

Eagle and Child and White Lion

[Olliebeak]

My apologies to you, Dave - for cross-posting my edited link with your photo.

[Dave]

No probs Ollie. It does look as though those pubs were where Woollies was.

[Olliebeak]

So, obviously they were demolished and the current M&S building was built.

Looking at the front of M&S, it's very apparent that the original exterior of that building extended further across the front of 'Woolies' into, what is now, a fairly modern facade. Would be interesting to find out who/what occupied it before 'M&S'/'Woolies' - suppose that would mean digging into a Trade Directory.

[Veronica]

Harts was next door but one nearer to Hardshaw Street from Marks and Spencers, it is now the shop named New Look womens fashions.

The shop opposite Redmans was the Palatine Arcade.

[SKYMAN]

i liked the old woolies when each stall was sealed off and you were served by the assistant
who stood in the middle, then earlier still,,,what you could buy for a tanner,,,

Edited by SKYMAN, 30 October 2011 - 10:06 PM.

[Olliebeak]

SKYMAN, on 30 October 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

i liked the old woolies when each stall was sealed off and you were served by the assistant
who stood in the middle ...........

Those are the days that I'm thinking of, SKYMAN - when I mention the possibility of an 'upstairs' in Woolies (mid/late 50's). Not the few steps that took you into a record/toy/Ladybird clothing section leading into Hardshaw Centre.

[Kneeshin]

Woolworths was open in 1905 on the old building the brick work gives this date
in 1895 the shops on the right from the White Hart No 83
81 Adamson Mrs Jane Toy Dealer
79 James Burchall Bakers
77 Alliance Manufactures Tailors
73 Christopher Forthergill Tobacca & Cigar Manufacturer
69/71 Gaskell & Jackson M.B C.M. Surgeons
65 & 67 John Cotton Chemist
63 William Moulds Tailor
59/61 Mrs Annie Carlisle Eagle & Child

[Olliebeak]

Thanks for that Kneeshin - so does that mean that Woolies opened in 1905 when the building was first built?

[Kneeshin]

Yes the date was 1905 it also had a large W & Co in the brickwork and by the looks of the brickwork M&S was opened at the same time as both building look the same

[Olliebeak]

Cheers for that - does that mean that part of the building was damaged (poss fire?) at some time, because that facade is definitely not symmetrical. I'm sure it would have been symmetrical when it was first designed.