Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Antoniette

St. Helen's Carmelite Monastery

Recommended Posts

Antoniette    0

I am new here and have visited St. Helen's once two years ago to see a nun friend at the Carmelite monastery on Green lane in Eccleston. I have been allowed back to visit this August. The only problem is that the posted telephone seems to be missing one digit. Does anyone have the correct number? Please email to me privately to insure Mother Teresa of St. Paul and the sister's privacy. I would like to talk with the prioress before arriving, it takes weeks to confirm details by snail mail!

 

Antoniette

(Bebe@prodigy.net)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
HORT    1,091

I always thought the Carmalites at Eccleston were a "Silent" order.

 

In other words, only the Mother Supeior was allowed to speak to outsiders.

 

Can anyone advise if I am wrong?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Griffin    126

The Carmelites are an enclosed order. As such, they have no contact with the outside world except in the case of family emergencies or occasional authorised visitors. When I used to call to read the gas meters some years ago, I first called at the lodge, which was a house outside the monastery precincts lived in by a couple whose job it was to act as the "interface" between the sisters and the outside world. They used to call through to the monastery on an old hand-cranked army field telephone, and tell them that the gas man was there. I then went around to the main door of the monastery, which was about twenty feet high, and waited. And waited. Clearly, in God's world, time was of little consequence, although it played hell with your bonus. Eventually, the enormous door creaked open, and I was greeted by two sisters - an old one with a beard and a young, pretty and giggly one whom, in different circumstances, I could have fancied. These sisters were allowed to talk to outsiders, and wore a special type of habit. They went in front of me, and the young one rang a bell, which was a warning to the other sisters to make themselves scarce. As we entered the kitchen, I would sometimes see one or two of them scurrying out of another door. They wore a different, "working" habit with sleeve protectors. There were three meters there, one of which was in a small meter house across the lawn, which I reached through a French window. The monastery had once been a rather nice private residence. As a monastery, it was absolutely spotless, if rather austere, and the overwhelming impressions were of peace and calm, and the smell of wax polish.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
NIMROD    0

I Think it was once the residence of the Walmsley-Cottom family.

 

Nimrod

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
HORT    1,091

very interesting Griff, but should we be calling it a nunnery rather than a monestry?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
stephen nulty    561

Has anubody replied to the original request for a phone number?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Griffin    126

I've only ever encountered the word "nunnery" in the line spoken by Hamlet to Ophelia in the play. I agree that the term "monastery" is usually associated with a community of men, and "convent" with women. However, if you take a look at the religious house under discussion, you'll see a sign on the high stone wall which clearly states "Carmelite monastery." No doubt a spot of research could turn up the reason.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Alan    2,051

When we were kids in the early 50s we occasionally climbed over that wall, looking for conkers I think, but it was always with trepidation. We believed that the nuns could lock you up and that they had shaved heads and wore horse-hair knickers

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
blonde15    1

griffin,

 

can u describe what the monastery looked like inside? was there a metal spiral staircase anywhere and lots of metal fretwork screens? it doesn't look a very big building is it small?

Edited by blonde15

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Griffin    126

Sorry, I only saw your question just now, because the topic was buried. I only went to certain parts of the house, because I was there to read a number of gas meters. I can't remember a staircase at all, or any grilles. I assume that, if sisters were permitted to receive visitors for exceptional reasons, the conversation would take place through a grille somewhere. There may have been a special visitors' room.

 

I recall the corridor from the main entrance doors, right on the lane, to the kitchens. Then I went into a large parlour and through the French windows on to the lawn - there was a meter in an outside box there. That was about it, really. The overwhelming impression was of peaceful austerity, with polished lino and dark wood. A bit like my own taste in interior decoration. It was a largish house, although by no means large for a religious institution. They've had some work done since, although I'm not sure what, because the stone wall was temporarily breached.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tony J    308

I remember a grille in the chapel at the right hand side of the altar, the nuns sat behind the grille for mass and the general public were permitted to use the main body of the chapel.

 

ant

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Rencully    0

I remember as a child going to the Carmalite Monastry with Blessed Julie for mass at the Chapel. This was to the right when you went through the gates. The nuns would behind a grille on the righthand side of the Chapel. I can occasionally when we entered there was a young nun who never spoke to us.

Edited by Rencully

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
blonde15    1

hi thanks for ur comments,

i am sure that as a child i was at a convent in st helens, be it only briefly, but maybe it was the "naughty girls school" as they were run by nuns as well LOL

 

I remember what seemed like a mansion house with glass porch sweeping staircases, there was a spiral staircase somewhere and grilles with punched fretwork like the playing card clubs punched in to them. the building had a lodge house and sweeping curved drive. the place smelled of incense etc and even now if i go anywhere that smells like that i nearly faint......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest andyr00   
Guest andyr00

I bet the number just needs a 7 in front, if it begins with 3 it wil need the 7 added.

 

Incidentally ive snogged a nun..Is that bad?:unsure:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
brunty    8

many yrs ago i used to deliver to st-annes monastry in sutton i was also given my

own key to get into the large kitchen at the rear.

not many outsiders knew this but behind the old wall in monastry lane was mass of land all cultivated growing veg all the year round i was given a cardboard box of

veg every week free but i had to do a favour in return,i had to "carry" the bets

for the three brothers who resided there one brother who i became quite friendly

with always treated me out of his winnings.

the place was spotless inside all you could smell was polish and freshly ground coffee which brother "vint" as we called him was in charge of.

  • Like (+1) 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
llanyb    15

Incidentally ive snogged a nun..Is that bad?:unsure:

Always remember - you can kiss a nun once; you can even kiss a nun twice; but you mustn't get into the habit.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
brunty    8

Always remember - you can kiss a nun once; you can even kiss a nun twice; but you mustn't get into the habit.

the old uns are the best. :(

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tony J    308

hi thanks for ur comments,

i am sure that as a child i was at a convent in st helens, be it only briefly, but maybe it was the "naughty girls school" as they were run by nuns as well LOL

 

I remember what seemed like a mansion house with glass porch sweeping staircases, there was a spiral staircase somewhere and grilles with punched fretwork like the playing card clubs punched in to them. the building had a lodge house and sweeping curved drive. the place smelled of incense etc and even now if i go anywhere that smells like that i nearly faint......

 

 

Could it have been Blackbrook House. That opened as a girls approved school in 1933 but I do not know when it closed!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
blonde15    1

thanks for ur help i have been in touch with blackbrook house, nugent care, and unfortunately, or not unfortunately, dont know which scenario is best......... they have no records for me. i think that possibly i was looked after as a child by some sort of care home run by muns cos my mum was in hospital and there was no one to look after me. i know that i wasn't at this place for long. just wish i'd have had the guts to ask my mum when she was still alive. let this be a lesson to ppl in families that fall out,,,,,,,don't let the grass grow under ur feet,,, cos once they are gone they are definitely gone...............

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Le200    1,371

Could it have been in Sutton near to St Annes? (I forget the name of it)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tony J    308

Could it have been in Sutton near to St Annes? (I forget the name of it)

 

 

That would have been the Cross and Passion Convent which eventually became Cloisters nightclub and was demolished a few years back to build houses.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Veronica    8

The Carmelite Convent was always for the silent order of Nuns, we used to visit the chapel and could hear then chanting prayers, used to put the fear of god up you it was so eerie.

 

They decided some years back that the old house was inconvenient for them snd they had it demolished and a modern bungalow type one built to their own specifications.

 

We used to see them come to the shops in Eccleston from time to time but not for a very long period of time. They had one or two nuns who were allowed to speak on their behalf to tradesmen etc.,

 

They never had any form of school there.

 

It was St Mary's Blackbrook that was for the delinquent? girls, there used to be regular runaways from it as I remember in the past.

 

Veronica

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
SKYMAN    512

When i was driving for Nevins the Grocers ,( now no longer exists )

Mr Nevin used to donate food to the nuns at Carmelite,

I used to wheel the trolley into the building,in a stone floor uncovered

hall way,then a large door would rotate ,rather like the old london palladium,

out would float about four nunns they seemed to move like Darlecks,then they would put the food on their own

truck then the door would rotate again and i was once more alone,no words were exchanged,

i felt sorry for them, always have, such a waste of human life,dont try to explain anyone,. to me it is a waste of

a life.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Alan    2,051

I totally agree about the waste of human life. Poor brainwashed lasses, the RC Church should bow its collective heads in shame

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
tessmop    247

I don't know how they did it without it causing mental health issues.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×